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1 posted on 06/22/2021 7:55:33 AM PDT by Red Badger
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Diesel’s days are numbered?........................


2 posted on 06/22/2021 7:56:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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"This research is unique in that it paints a more complete picture of what it would look like to electrify these fleets,"

Translated: this is the only "study" that suggests that it is remotely feasible to do this.

3 posted on 06/22/2021 7:58:51 AM PDT by corkoman
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>>The team found that most (~80%) of the substations studied could supply the time-varying loads of 100 trucks charged at 100 kW/vehicle without any upgrades, and an additional 10% of substations could avoid upgrades if fleets used “smart” charging.

take those charging stations offline in the summer and winter when people are already being told to go without heat or ac.


5 posted on 06/22/2021 7:59:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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There is no demand

T Boone Pickens and others set up a consortium to facilitate natural gas as a long range truck fuel. The cost of the natural gas fuel vs Deisel was considerably less and now is probably a lot less.

The consortium included Flying J who has facilities all across the country at about 200 miles intervals. supply was readily and easily available. I believe the venture failed because the truck fuel consumers did not accept the bargain


6 posted on 06/22/2021 8:08:06 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Like BLM, Joe Biden is a Domestic Enemy )
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Since it’s obvious that they’re going to ram this down our throats, if Republicans ever get back to being the majority, I’d love to see them mandate that those with EVs are required to use renewable energy methods to charge the batteries.

No more using traditional power plants to charge your batteries

This is all about the government and left leaning corporate leadership conspiring to get a refund on their investments. Nothing more. .

You’re going to save the world with your electric car, go whole hog and be a true believer. Charge the batteries with the sun or wind.

Good luck.


8 posted on 06/22/2021 8:18:17 AM PDT by qaz123
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So a bunch of college idiots think they can speak for truck drivers?


10 posted on 06/22/2021 8:27:48 AM PDT by MercyFlush (A wise man once said nothing. )
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remove all government subsidy in the supply chain and manufacture of electric vehicles, and remove all purchase subsidy from the consumer, and you’ll never see another EV sold.

Until EVs can compete without subsidy, they are dead meat hanging.


14 posted on 06/22/2021 8:46:26 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Researchers? How about talking to Truckers and trucking companies?-)


16 posted on 06/22/2021 9:02:05 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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charging requirements

Most imported goods come in through Cali so that's where a lot of trucks would have to charge at some point and they don't even have enough electricity as it is.

17 posted on 06/22/2021 9:03:37 AM PDT by Pollard
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The article is weird because it just doesn’t come out and say that you can charge the vehicles at night when they are at the depot. They suggest it with “off-shift periods at central locations such as a vehicle depot.”

When EV research started ramping up back in the 80s, the idea was that the nation had a huge amount of untapped nighttime baseload coal and nuclear power that could be tapped to charge EV batteries at night. It was a way to use that asset at nighttime.

In the ensuing 40 years, that has radically changed as coal and nuclear plants have been shut down. Nondispatchable wind and solar cannot make up that loss for obvious reasons. The only way you can get through the night (no sun, usually no wind) is with huge energy storage projects fed by solar and wind during the day.

Wouldn’t it be ironic to build gigantic battery banks to store solar and wind power during the day, then use those same batteries to charge your truck batteries at night?

This whole fetish for “decarbonization” is utterly ridiculous. It’s predicated on “carbon is evil and will destroy mankind” which is patently false. The entire solar, wind, and EV wet dream is based on the “carbon is evil” premise. I can’t believe we are upending our entire energy and transportation infrastructure to the tune of trillions of dollars for no net benefit.


18 posted on 06/22/2021 9:25:18 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Pour les vaincre il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace")
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When I was growing up during the thirties, I saw many electric delivery trucks in Washington, DC. Railway Express and one of the large department stores used them. I remember they had non-inflatable flat rubber tires. As the suburbs grew out from the city, I guess they became less useful.


19 posted on 06/22/2021 12:44:45 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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BS


22 posted on 06/22/2021 8:39:08 PM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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The switch to BEV fleets would offer a significant reduction in fuel costs and require less routine maintenance, another key advantage for fleets.

True, electric engines do require less maintenance in general than combustion ones. But cost savings are temporary - what do you think will happen to the price of electricity when everyone has an electric car? Especially for companies that have massive power draws? Overall cost per mile will eventually balance out close to the same as it is now. Plus you'll be paying way more for your AC and lighting and so on!


The team found that most (~80%) of the substations studied could supply the time-varying loads of 100 trucks charged at 100 kW/vehicle without any upgrades, and an additional 10% of substations could avoid upgrades if fleets used "smart" charging.

Time-varying loads of 100 trucks? So what does that mean, no more than 4-5 trucks per hour per substation? How many truck depots / warehouses are there per substation? How many trucks does each yard have? Does each company only get to charge one truck for one hour at assigned times of the day?

So the substations can handle the load, but what about further local distribution? Are the lines going from the substation to the businesses that'll be using the power big enough to deliver that much power? Or do all of those need to be upgraded, and who pays for that? The companies that need it? The power companies (everybody!)?
25 posted on 06/26/2021 11:03:06 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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