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The Cleveland Clinic found a way to block the TMAO effect: Have olive oil and/or balsamic vinegar with the choline or red meat, and it temporarily deactivates the bacteria.
1 posted on 06/16/2021 8:11:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Two words:

Fecal.

Transplant.


2 posted on 06/16/2021 8:12:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Tse-tung)
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To: ConservativeMind

Gut microbes have also been linked to Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s.


3 posted on 06/16/2021 8:15:11 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: ConservativeMind

Have olive oil and/or balsamic vinegar with the choline or red meat, and it temporarily deactivates the bacteria.


Do you suppose our tomato caprese (served with olive oil and balsamic vinegar), that we typically have with our steaks, would count?


4 posted on 06/16/2021 8:17:36 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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There is no money in gut bacteria, which can’t be patented. Good research, but it won’t go anywhere.


7 posted on 06/16/2021 8:24:03 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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Paving the way for Bill Gate’s FAKE MEAT.


9 posted on 06/16/2021 8:26:50 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 33:12))
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A very fit friend (vigorous bike riding, ice hockey, hiking) suddenly hit a wall recently and had chest pain. He wound up with a stent for a blocked coronary artery. His doctor told him “no more animal foods” and he has gone whole hog (so to speak) on a plant-based diet. No milk, no dairy at all, no meat (not even fish or poultry). It’s got to be rough because he loves going crabbing and salmon fishing.


14 posted on 06/16/2021 8:37:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Pour les vaincre il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace")
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To: ConservativeMind

Hawaii has some of the longest life expectancy’s
in the USA. If you Health nuts knew how and what
we eat, drink, and carry on you’d be shocked.
Enjoy your dull Veggie/Vegan lives.
Your problem is you worry too much about
death and not enough about living.
Aloha.


21 posted on 06/16/2021 9:14:05 PM PDT by rellic
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I wonder if eating kimchee would infuse the gut with heart health probiotics that would overcome the formation of trimethylamine N-oxide?


23 posted on 06/16/2021 9:46:34 PM PDT by jonrick46 ( Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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Mice.

Do mice normally eat cooked red meat?


24 posted on 06/16/2021 9:48:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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I'm dumbfounded by their ignorance. Perhaps it's 'bias':

"including the adverse effects of TMAO (trimethylamine N-oxide)—a byproduct produced when gut bacteria digest certain nutrients abundant in red meat and other animal products."
Did the fake meat industry fund this study? /s
26 posted on 06/16/2021 9:57:05 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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For the last three years, I eat almost nothing BUT meat, fish, eggs, and some dairy.

No veg, no fiber, and I’ve reversed prediabetes, my T is WAY UP, and I’ve lost 55 pounds.

I’m 74, 6’1” and weigh 182. I had the coronary calcium heart scan last year and I have a very low score of 6.

Check out JohnnyP:
https://imgur.com/a/xcVwYHq
https://imgur.com/ukLcfHY


31 posted on 06/16/2021 10:51:30 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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This is garbage junk research.

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-is-tmao/

Excerpt:

Okay, so anything that contains choline or carnitine will increase TMAO, which should in theory increase your risk of heart disease. Right? Let’s go down the list.
Dietary TMAO Precursors and Their Effects On Health

Eggs. The best source of TMAO-precursor choline in our diet—eggs—should absolutely skyrocket TMAO levels. Except it doesn’t happen.

Three eggs a day has no effect on TMAO levels, even as it increases choline levels and HDL cholesterol.

Okay, so maybe the choline slipped past the TMA-producing gut bacteria in that study, but what about if you quickly switch people from eating oatmeal for breakfast to eating eggs. Surely bad things will happen, right?

No. Eating eggs instead of oatmeal has no effect on TMAO levels. It increases carotenoid and choline levels, though.

Liver. Okay, liver has to do the trick. It has high levels of both carnitine and choline. But no: feeding liver (among other foods) to men fails to increase TMAO levels above control.

Carnitine. Forget meat. What if you go straight to the offensive precursor itself and give actual human women a big daily dose of carnitine for, I don’t know, 24 weeks? Surely it will do something bad.

Nope. TMAO skyrockets, an indication that these ladies’ gut bacteria are converting carnitine to TMA and TMAO, but serum C-reactive protein, interleukin-6, L-selectin, P-selectin, vascular cell adhesion molecule-1, intercellular adhesion molecule-1 and lipid profile markers are completely unaffected. If gut bacterial conversion of carnitine to TMAO is the preeminent risk factor for heart disease, you’d think some of these ladies’ cardiovascular risk factors would have responded. They had half a year to respond. They did not.

Okay, but maybe there’s lag time between TMAO increases and deleterious changes to health. Nope. They followed those same ladies after cessation of carnitine supplementation. Their TMAO levels dropped, but their health markers stayed the same. No change.

And here’s a study where they used carnitine to increase TMAO levels in patients on dialysis. Not only did nothing bad happen, but the carnitine even reduced markers of vascular injuries. Higher TMAO, better health.

Seafood. As I mentioned earlier, fish and shellfish come pre-contaminated with the TMAO precursor TMA. It’s what gives the characteristic fishy odor, and it definitely gets converted to TMAO. In fact, a human study from a few years ago found that feeding people fish spiked TMAO levels by 60 times. A more recent study even concluded that elevated TMAO levels are a reliable marker for cod intake. The more fish you eat, the more TMAO your body will process.

If you’re going to claim that TMAO is dangerous and causes heart disease, you’ll have to make the case that fish is dangerous and causes heart disease. All the evidence we have points in the opposite direction—that fish and shellfish are protective against heart disease.


34 posted on 06/17/2021 12:31:22 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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