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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 



Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.


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Comment #301 Removed by Moderator

To: bagster

” Is it pride with you people? With you, I think yes. With 2a and others, I suspect more nefarious motives.

With a smattering of willful ignorance mixed in.”

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Succinctly stated.


302 posted on 05/25/2021 3:04:01 AM PDT by Norski (Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?)
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Comment #303 Removed by Moderator

To: mrsmith

I don’t believe anyone doesn’t realize what a lying, cowardly POS you are.


304 posted on 05/25/2021 3:48:33 AM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: ransomnote

I don’t believe anyone doesn’t realize what a lying, cowardly POS you are.


305 posted on 05/25/2021 4:05:43 AM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Serious side effects are rare (anywhere from 1 in 90,000 to 1 in 1.1 million depending on which you're talking about). There are zero deaths known to have been caused by any COVID-19 vaccine anywhere in the United States.

This isn't true. I got two does of the Pfizer vaccine and I've died at least 6 times. It also started connecting me to Bluetooth and recently turned me into a newt. I got better. :)

Seriously, not one side effect from the first. With the 2nd, arm soreness as if I had lifted weights, a slight fever and body aches for about 8 hours.

306 posted on 05/25/2021 4:14:38 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA (No. I am not a doctor nor have I ever played one on TV. The MD in my screen name stands for Maryland)
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To: bagster
The mere NUMBER of reports, corrected for a certain percentage of 'false' reports, is hugely higher than similar reports for all previous vaccines. Ever.

Have you counted the "false" reports?

you people

I'm not a you-person.

And the big picture is this. EVERYTHING about the rona is a hoax, including the vax.

511,000 more deaths in 2010 than in 2019. At least 1/3 were "officially" from causes other than the virus. No surprise since shutting down health care resulted in a lot of deaths.; The 1/3 is low for non-COVID, and there is general agreement that most of the rest were COVID creating a premature death.

More people are dying from these vax's than have EVER before. It is not safe, it is not effective, and it definitely is not NECESSARY.

So....why do you people defend it so savagely?
Again, I am not a you-person, just an experimental vax recipient. I'll get my second antibody test in about a week to see if my vax did what it was supposed to do: switch me from negative to positive for antibodies. That would at least suggest that the vax was not "worthless" or "worthless and deadly."

My immune system got a little boost based on the slight fever and now a slight rash. I realize from the doc on Tucker and others I have listened to that the innune system could get too strong especially in younger people and we'll have to watch for autoimmune diseases. Even Alzherimers might have autoimmune origins.

But OTOH have you thought about this: vaccines are sometimes used as experiment cancer therapy. E.g. measles vaccine on advanced cancer. Immunotherapies are advance experimental vaccines.

It is a fact that everything we inject or ingest is a double edged sword from oxygen to water to vitamin D to what are considered "poison" (see homeopathy). It mainly depends on the dose, it takes a lot of water to die, but it is doable. I had a friend overdose on Vitamin D when a local milk company screwed up and put 10,000 times too much in (he is ok now).

you cannot, in fairness think to understand the big picture.

I think about the big picture a lot. When you use a word like "EVERYTHING", you are not thinking about the big picture, just one narrow perspective. It's all evil, or all bad or all something. Life is not like that. Never chalk up to evil what can be more easily explained by stupidity. Most of the pandemic and response to it was stupid. Just a simple example: people packed on trains in NYC because they reduced the number of trains.

307 posted on 05/25/2021 6:13:59 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: ransomnote

CDC numbers have always been highly questionable.

For years, the CDC stated on their site they hadn’t a clue how Ebola was transferred. For years, my tagline was that very quote.

I don’t know about other states, but the TX health dept. doesn’t require doctors to report regular flu deaths so that number has never been correct.

Of course, Covid-19 death and comorbidity numbers are no where near correct.

Every medication that is advertised on tv must include the side effects. Well, every medication except the vax. Funny how that is. Follow the money.

Which came first, the vax or the virus? The vax.


308 posted on 05/25/2021 6:55:42 AM PDT by bgill
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To: cgbg

No attempt to identify medical conditions or follow up BUT they want your personal ID including your drivers license.


309 posted on 05/25/2021 7:10:21 AM PDT by bgill
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; bagster; ransomnote

“How could one possibly know without a complete medical history and full medical examination of the body?”

Exactly. Where are the death certificates for these people? Where are records of the objective medical examinations?

You saying over and over; “Thus far, there are zero deaths where anyone has stated that a COVID-19 vaccine was the cause of a person’s death or contributed to the person’s death anywhere in the United States.” doesn’t mean that no one has died from the vaccines.

Reading the VAERS reports clearly show there’s lots of room for the vaccine as a rational contributing cause for many deaths and other adverse events.

Reported Cause(s) of Death: resident coded and expired

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Unknown cause of death

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Died

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Unknown

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Passed away

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Suffered massive stroke 24 hours after Pfizer vaccine

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Death unexplained

Reported Cause(s) of Death: felt bad

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Death; Unresponsive to stimuli

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Influenza like illness

Reported Cause(s) of Death: Death

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=ON&ESORT=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&DIED=Yes&NUMDAYS=1

It’s pretty obvious it’s not politically correct to say the vaccine caused the death. Just like, to no one’s surprise, OSHA updated their decision to require adverse vaccination events to be recordable when the employer mandated the vaccines. It wasn’t politically correct for OSHA to do the right thing, was it.


310 posted on 05/25/2021 7:23:15 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: ransomnote
I don’t believe anyone doesn’t realize what a lying, cowardly POS you are.

Hi ransom, did you notice in post #304 they posted it to themselves before remembering and posting it to you right afterwards?

Oh troll, where is thy sting?

311 posted on 05/25/2021 7:29:04 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: ransomnote

“ I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.”

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LMAO!!

Nothin’ like a big bowl of “Self-Important Soup”.

Crackers anyone?

#UnlicensedMedicalAdviceAgain

#DontWorryImResearchedCerifiied

#VAERSTheNewQ


312 posted on 05/25/2021 7:42:27 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: grey_whiskers; ransomnote; bagster
Looks like mith pulled an all-nighter of posting to her/himself, again.

🕔


313 posted on 05/25/2021 7:56:57 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: David Chase; grey_whiskers; ransomnote

Speaking of trolls.....look what the cat dragged in.....

So, David....about that very rude accusation, you posted about me.....saying you could post the three different stories, about my “friend” (you claim is made up) who passed, the night of his first experimental shot.

Where are your proof posts? I’ve asked you to post your proof, that I’m “lying”, and you’ve not posted that.

You’re a very disrespectful liar, and, n00b vax-pushing troll, to boot.


314 posted on 05/25/2021 8:39:28 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Jane Long; David Chase
You’re a very disrespectful liar, and, n00b vax-pushing troll, to boot.

And his breath is hot.


315 posted on 05/25/2021 9:03:07 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Jane Long
Looks like mith pulled an all-nighter of posting to her/himself, again.

Yep. He better watch it, messing around on the internet after lights out.

Now he's gonna be all sleepy for group. God forbid he should fall asleep in front of the counsellor.

There will be no Series for him. And Ratchet may even tell his mother.


316 posted on 05/25/2021 9:08:07 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Jane Long; metmom; ransomnote; aMorePerfectUnion; Cathi; bagster
If valid (see the URL at the top of the pic)...

Why would they do that when SARS 1 was so long ago?

Interesting name of the thing being tested for, too. "COVID-19" ...?

317 posted on 05/25/2021 9:42:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: David Chase; ransomnote
#UnlicensedMedicalAdviceAgain

Haha. Funny, coming from a male nurse acting like as if he's Fauci himself. Good morning, Mister Irony.

#ItsLikeRain

#OnYourWeddingDay

#DontWorryImResearchedCerifiied

I know, of course, that you mean that as an insult. As if Ransomnote is NOT a certified researcher, as if that were a thing, OR a necessity.

I'll say this about Ransomnote. She's probly a better researcher than many PHD's. Research is just looking up stuff, after all. She has spent the better part of four years heavily and successfully researching.

She is not even the best researcher the Q thread has to offer. There are better. Like any good researcher, she knows hot to interpret her research, connect dots that lead down other 'rabbit holes', and get to the truth of a matter.

She's not arrogant enough (as you also accused her of being) to think she always reaches the correct conclusion, and opens her mind to the possibility that more evidence is out there. Evidence that would derail her previous conclusion. When she finds it, she adjusts.

And, for the cherry on top, she knows how to artfully present her findings, usually in simple layman's terms, for people LIKE YOU, who do minimal research and whose only skill set lies in bashing the work of the hard working.

You are the grasshopper to her ant. You are the socialist to her capitalist. Yin, yang etc. yada yada blah.

You are a rock thrower, chucking rocks at the pretty girl cause you know she will never like you, but secretly hoping she will. The rocks are your attention grabber.

You little rock chucker, you.

This scenario applies to most of you vax nazis, Mrs. Mith most of all.

See how he retardedly clamors for attention with his inflammatory, yet moronic, posts? He is your people and you should be proud to be on his team, amirite?

Anyway, Chase. I look forward to another brisk day of watching vaxtards melt down cause their best hound dog, Vax, is starting to look a little ragged ,like Marley on his last days.

(the dog, not the most awesome Bob, but maybe that too)

Now, pay very close attention to this next bit, vax test subject #0188188.

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Call Ransom
When she's ten feet tall.

Go ask Ransom
I think she'll know.

Feed your head. Feed your head.


318 posted on 05/25/2021 9:45:19 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: grey_whiskers
a.) Not getting a url.

b.) What's even more interesting. 'Rothschild'.

The string puller reveals themself.

Toto pulls back the curtain.

Kaiser Soze steps into the light, but only for a moment, then POOF. Just like that, he was gone.

(I got a million of 'em)


319 posted on 05/25/2021 9:50:59 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

start at patents.google.com...


320 posted on 05/25/2021 10:14:55 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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