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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 



Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.


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To: bagster; ransomnote
Let's put it this way. Some group did random sampling of side effects using a survey. A survey is much more scientific than a self-reporting system: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778441 fatigue (53.9%), headache (46.7%), myalgia (44.0%), chills (31.3%), fever (29.5%), and joint pain (25.6%).

Here's the data from VAERS and a percentage of reporting:

SymptomFrom SurveyTotal in Vax PopReported in VAERS%
fatigue53.9%80,850,000283910.04
headache46.7%70,050,000493670.07
myalgia44.0%66,000,00052940.008
chills31.3%46,950,000390380.08
fever29.5%44,250,000452430.1
joint pain25.6%38,400,00063000.02

Not even 1%. The closest reporting ratio is 0.1% for fever IOW VAERS reports have between 1/1000th and 1/10,000th of the actual events.

I was given something like page 4 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download Mine was a single sheet of paper. Unfortunately I had to help my friend who can't walk well and left my sheet behind. It doesn't say "don't report your fever". But only 0.1% of the people with fever reported their fever.

I never once said these vaccines are safe compared to a flu shot. I think they have unknown safety and less safety for some groups like those with stronger immune systems. But the question is what is the rate of reporting of serious side effects, and delay or deletion of such reports from VAERS? That's the only way we can extrapolate actual numbers from VAERS numbers. The Harvard study says "1% of vaccine adverse events " Do they mean only serious? Or are they including the fever which is only 0.1% reported right now.

181 posted on 05/24/2021 7:34:15 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: DugwayDuke

Not arguing against your point, but to be sure, if there were 600,000 deaths, it’s not as though most of us would know, anyway, as the censorious scribes at Facebooger, Twit-Er, etc. would keep the info from most of the public.


182 posted on 05/24/2021 7:34:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; bagster; ransomnote

What would be the cause of death on the death certificates for these adverse events? Scroll through a few pages and let me know.

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=ON&ESORT=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&DIED=Yes&NUMDAYS=1


183 posted on 05/24/2021 7:34:48 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: ransomnote; Vermont Lt; BobL; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; Tilted Irish Kilt; Jane Long; ...

FWIW.

Coronavirus PING!


184 posted on 05/24/2021 7:35:21 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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To: dynoman

How could one possibly know without a complete medical history and full medical examination of the body?


185 posted on 05/24/2021 7:38:44 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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186 posted on 05/24/2021 7:41:04 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

600,000 deaths right now would mean a 50% increase in total deaths. There is no indication anywhere of that kind of excess mortality. In fact, mortality in the US has returned to normal levels for the first time since March 2020.

If 600,000 people have died from the vaccines, where are the bodies? Certainly not in the morgues, the funeral homes, or the cemeteries.


187 posted on 05/24/2021 7:41:31 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: palmer
or "Pt on hospice in facility for severe cardiomyopathy unable to perform interventions received vaccine without adverse sequelae died 5 days later. Reporting as required. Narrative: Reporting as required patient death 5 days after immunization with Pfizer vaccine. However, no adverse sequelae were noted to the vaccine in the 15minute observation period, nor in the days following the immunization related to the vaccine....",p> Vaccine pushed 'em over the edge.

I'm just using the very generous standard Faux-Xi used in attributing deaths to the coof in the first place in order to get his investments a chance at the BIG MONEY.

188 posted on 05/24/2021 7:42:25 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: mrsmith

Well, thanks for the Freepathon help Noobie!!

Much appreciated.


189 posted on 05/24/2021 7:43:19 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Stop posting to me.

Take your *own* advice.

190 posted on 05/24/2021 7:45:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: palmer
Hey Einstein.

There's one ingredient you missed.

In order for whoever did the reporting, to correlate the death with the vax, the person injected must have *died*.

Kinda hard to miss that one.

191 posted on 05/24/2021 7:47:50 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: musicman

Glad to oblige Jim. There were times I couldn’t.
I don’t expect any of the liars to contribute...
No challenge can get through to them.

Hope you’re not foisting this idiocy on your friends and family. They expect better of you, and would be disappointed.


192 posted on 05/24/2021 7:48:18 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: mrsmith
"Hope you’re not foisting this idiocy on your friends and family..."

Ouite the opposite.They don't think FR is "idiocy".

They all happen to LIKE FR.
193 posted on 05/24/2021 7:57:46 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: DugwayDuke
There are hundreds of thousands of healthcare professionals. You are accusing all of them of complete indifference boarding upon criminality when you allege they would keep this quiet.

Hey, troll-boi, good to hear from you.

I'm sure, for example, that plastic surgeons, podiatrists, pediatric oncology doctors, and LASIK specialists are knocking the doors of medical journals down, to share their exciting discoveries about the coof.

Try again, Einstain.

194 posted on 05/24/2021 7:57:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Deaths in VAERS and events in VAERS are treated differently. Same reporting form, hotline, etc. The problem is that dead people can't self-report. So the question is whether the health care providers are reporting or not. Does the EMS report if they declare death or show up where someone is already dead?

Events are easier because the person can self-report. How many do? I just showed an analysis (see above) that shows that only 0.1% of people have reported their fever into VAERS. Part of that is because people expect fever and don't consider it adverse. But part of it is they have no idea there is a VAERS system, too lazy, etc.

The bigger question with events is the serious events. If someone has a heart attack and goes to the hospital, how many of those are reported? I presume that in the 15 minute waiting period, anyone with a heart attack in the waiting area should be reported. Are they? No idea. But they should be reported for VAERS to have any credibility.

What about the next day? Does the ER guy ask when the heart attack victim had their shot? Don't know but it's probably not the ER guy's first priority. Mostly going to try to help the patient.

195 posted on 05/24/2021 7:58:09 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: musicman

Sad...

Well, there’s my hundred bucks.
I assume the liars won’t send anything for their abuse of this forum.
Let me know if I’m wrong.


196 posted on 05/24/2021 8:01:53 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

I don’t believe it, because considering it’s DEATHS, I figure most of those would be reported to VAERS. Mild symptoms might only be reported sometimes.

But I’m just saying, if it actually were 600,000, Facebooger, Twit-Er, Alphabits-Gewgle-Youboob, etc. would cover it right up.


197 posted on 05/24/2021 8:03:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Or just tired of getting the same copied-and-pasted garbage spammed to us on thread after thread.

YOu appear to be butthurt so I've called a Waaahmbulance.


198 posted on 05/24/2021 8:04:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: heavy metal
how do you find the time to post on these threads 22 hours a day???...

Troll tag-teaming.

199 posted on 05/24/2021 8:05:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: bagster
You keep using that old chestnut when you know damn well that is the ridiculously rare and comical exception to the rule and NOBODY took it seriously.

And just think, a few posts ago it was complaining about the same cut-and-paste nonsense on every thread over and over again.

Had no idea it was getting so worn out by its own posts.

200 posted on 05/24/2021 8:06:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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