Posted on 05/16/2021 7:22:09 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Hindsight's 20-20 right? As a young lefty I was for it. Was the South worth dying for? It wasn't. The people that went-were they chumps? Misguided perhaps. The seed may have been planted when JFK said we'd pay any price, bear any burden. Was that reckless just as he lived his life? We are much more mature nation as a result. It took Iraq/Afghanistan to open my eyes. Gulf of Tonkin didn't happen. Where were the WMD? After 911 we bomb Iran's infrastructure, put them in the stone age and threaten to do it again. It would not have cost a trillion. Happy Sunday.
A government that pisses away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on military campaigns in Islamic sh!t-holes halfway around the world while facilitating an invasion of Third World peasants here at home has no moral claim on any loyalty from its citizens anymore.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I voted for Donald Trump in 2016 because I got tired of living in a country where draft dodgers send other people to fight these stupid, never-ending wars on behalf of their corporate/globalist backers.
We'll never see a draft again in this country, but I'm OK with a draft as long as pr!cks with names like Bush, Cheney, Romney, Graham, etc. are all drafted -- with no exceptions -- to serve 25-year commitments in active combat zones first.
So you think that Carter pardoning those Draft Dodging Cowards was a “great” idea? Or did you not see the post that I was responding to?
Listen to me and please believe me. I was a Cold War sailor for 11 years on the flight deck! I lost track of the countless times we had General Quarters because some Communist Soviet sub was getting too close to blow us to the bottom of the sea. Yes, we lucked out unlike the volunteer grunts in Iraq and Aftganiscrap.
NOW, our wonderful heritage is heading in the same communist direction. Would you have us do? Do I have to post once more about my 60's experience of a commune north of Los Angeles? If so, I will.
Unless you sacrificed and served, your opinion means naught. I used to respect you, but your side here makes me think otherwise. If you have served in uniform, then your opinion carries weight.
No they weren't. In fact the spitters and yellers have been despised for decades now. They were the early BLM Antifa types. They just hated everything good about America.
I can't believe it either. Seems many are getting suck into anti-military and anti-defense against the long know enemy that is communism. I asked above, should I once again give my experience at a 60's commune? Do you want to hear it? It's an eye opener.
1. Good to hear that you graduated from Kindergarten.
2. If you want expound about our war, expect flak.
3. I kind of agree about drafting politicians first.
The Second Amendment was forged because of several purposes. People who pimp a draft are just as bad as the system an all volunteered force in the 18th century separated themselves from.
Politicians’ actions by default should be HEAVILY scrutinized by a free people. Why would anyone want to be a cuck to a politician and draft where they are relegated to cannon fodder a half-a-world away.
If my country is directly invaded, i will know what to do,so i and my children will not be cannon fodder for the whims of any politician pet project or intelligence exercise (Which Vietnam was at the expense of pain and lies by our very own tepresentatives).
2. I don't mind the flak. I should have posted #35 first and been more clear that the Vietnam War draft questions weren't applicable to me.
3. We shouldn't just DRAFT politicians first. We should always send them with the first group of military personnel who are sent to a hot combat zone.
This site truly could use a ‘Like’ button type of feature.
I agree with you 100%. My HD hangs properly framed in my den and I look at it every single day with pride.
Great idea! They can be the “mine finders”.
The bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was bad enough, but what really sealed the deal for me was the report afterwards that the facility was being guarded by Marines with no ammunition in their weapons.
I still have all the respect in the world for anyone who served in the military in those days -- and even long before I was alive. But there's no way in hell I could ever serve in an organization that is often led by mentally retarded @ssholes -- and through most of my adult life, that assessment of this country's military leadership goes all the way up to the White House.
That may have been true at one time. I'd say it officially ended when one of those pr!cks was elected President in 1992.
Because the growing communist menace was just not an abstract idea, but a growing military threat to democracy and the western world. Have you not heard of the decades long Cold War between the US and Russia with all their nukes?
The mistake with Viet Nam was not letting the military do its job. LBJ and McNamara micro-managed that war and that has been proven.
Here's something for you to research. The NVA Commander (General Giap) admitted in his own written memoir stated, "'What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET. You defeated us!"
Cronkite stated we lost the TET Offensive, which worked up the hippies even more. I've also read where Giap was watching our media and the anti-war hippies, so he held on.
The above said, I find it interesting that Viet Nam is now a tourist destination and has a similar central government like China, but allows individual enterprise. That work out so well for Hong Kong, didn't it?
Keep this in mind. The Philippines are now courting American forces to return after kicking us out years ago. They, Taiwan, and Japan would know more about CCP's communist imperialistic intentions than any of our politicians or media or possibly the Pentagon.
Do you do you not want my personal experience with a pure commmune? I've posted it many time, but no one seems to make the connection with the ideology of communism.
Oh great, Rollo - everything had finally calmed down and you roll in with your Lefty nonsense.
1. Vietnam needed our help and we were there. Communists were the bad guys, we were the good guys. We were never “cannon fodder” - we were competent and deadly.
2. The “politicians” didn’t lose the war, the American people back home lost it when they supported the pro-enemy “peace” crap. We crushed the enemy - until the people elected Democrats who cut off funding.
3. Nobody cares that “you’d stand up for your country” if we were invaded. It’d be too late by then. That’s all hot air anyway.
As a past Navy Reserve Recruiter, when men want to continue to serve, I think the problem is more about the current PC Navy and it's "all inclusive" propaganda. If I had a son/daughter of age, I would tell them to ignore the military and go to a trade school.
I agree, it was a righteous war against growing communism. Now we have it growing in our own country. Thank you for you Nam service, sir. Can you still shoot?
Was the US in it to win it?
Was the North bomed to oblivion?
Were there logistics cut off?
Did the CIA have locations all over the North?
If so, why?
This was a political ruse and you still buy into it.
Humanitarian efforts should be on a volunteer basis, not plucking citizens for pet projects.
Get a clue, you know nothing except bad propaganda and “patriotic” cheer-leading.
If i was conscripted, the first thing i would do is locate any rep who voted to institute the draft and seek justice.
I will never ever forgive LBJ or NcNamara for allowing so many to be killed or wounded externally or internally. EVER!
It was our war against the awful communist regime to win.
Then shut the fuck up. You know nothing about sacrifice and the will of good men.
Buddy - want to know why you are so annoying? You never served squat but you think that you’re some kind of expert on all things military! The Beirut fiasco was Reagan’s fault : he’s the one whose national security team directed that our Marines be housed in a single building at the airport and further directed that the Marines keep their magazines out of their weapons “to avoid seeming like they were taking sides” even after the terrorists truck- bombed the embassy.
There’s a certain balance - that you don’t have experience with - in military leadership: we followed good, competent, brave leaders and ignored the idiots. It’s easy to recognize the good ones from the bad ones. Unfortunately for all those Marines in Beirut, they had a great commander who didn’t stand up to stupid policies from the White House.
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