Posted on 05/04/2021 2:14:19 PM PDT by ransomnote
Those are all red herrings and strawmen.
Why don’t you post
“There is and has been, no gain-of-function research which could have led to either accidental or deliberate release of an infectious human virus with these characteristics”
How on Earth would I know what research has or hasn’t been done behind closed doors, particularly at a lab inside China, a country notorious for its secrecy and outright lying to conceal its actions?
Probably one of the few things you and I will agree on with any of this is that there is zero reason to trust China at all. Their lies about SARS-CoV-2 have led to many many thousands of unnecessary deaths of people in the US, Italy, and other places.
Masterful deflection.
What about US research, since you seem especially interested in diverting attention away from that at all costs?
I don’t have a list sitting in front of me of every gain of function research grand provided by NIH, but there’s been enough published in the journals about it to know that it’s been ongoing for decades with Influenza, SARS, MERS, and others.
https://www.nature.com/news/us-suspends-risky-disease-research-1.16192 (2014 policy enacted to stop funding gain of function research)
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7 (2017 reversal of that policy)
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00210-5 (Jan 2020 meetings to push FedGov to be more transparent about gain of function research)
Previously, gain of function research had definitely been done on SARS-CoV-1 (SARS2003) and MERS-CoV (MERS2012), so it would be unsurprising if further research grants were in place in the US and elsewhere. I have never claimed otherwise.
(tips hat)
I'll try to break it to you easy, brainiac.
The covid vax is NOT the earth (flat or round), nor is it birds, or even space aliens. Its a vaccine.
But its cute how you try to associate those things with the vax conversation. Its almost as if you're trying to influence opinion against questioning your beloved vax, pharma boy.
Its all very derp state, if you ask me.
They give training classes in your technique, amirite?
Thank you for at least admitting that the vaccines we have are vaccines and not trying to claim (as some have) that an old dictionary definition they dug up somewhere somehow means they aren’t vaccines.
As to your point, it depends on the claim. If someone is claiming that the efficacy is actually lower than advertised, I would say that’s not absurd on its face and I would ask for their data demonstrating that to be the case. If someone says the vaccines are full of mind control microchips (and yes, people here are actually claiming this or are referencing people as “experts” who are claiming this), then yeah, I’m going to laugh at that. It’s ridiculous.
There’s a thread active right now asking if Israel is giving everyone a placebo and altering all the COVID-19 tests to make it look like the vaccine is working. May as well claim that the lizard people are using witchcraft to change our reality. Yeah, I’m going to laugh at that by posting images of dinosaurs building Stonehenge.
I was just re-reading my post, and I caught that error right before I read your post.
Of course the 'vax' are not 'vaccines'. That's been gone over and over on these threads.
My mistake.
I’m going to laugh at that. It’s ridiculous.
Yeah, I’m going to laugh at that by posting images of dinosaurs building Stonehenge.
And you're going to keep on comparing 'vax skepticism' to space aliens, lizard people, and bird drones. Cause its what you do.
With regards to Israel using placebos. What is so earth shattering about governments downplaying the effects of a 'disaster'?
Where have you been all your life, listening to Mick Jagger music and bad-mouthing your country?
I know nothing of the Children's Defense Fund, except the name makes me suspicious ("It's for the Chirrun," as Rush Limbaugh, God rest his soul, used to say.)
But they're filing an FOIA against the NIH, for *not* being particularly forthcoming with documentation about funding of gain-of-function research.
Lack of transparency is one of the things bad guys do.
So not at all proof, you know, but it *is* congruent.
Be nice to see what they cough up.
Next stop: someone connects the dots on funding and patents held or shared or stock owned by govt. bureaucrats and/or Congresscritters.
(cf this story about John F'ing Kerry's holdings in companies directly concerned in areas he was busy championing; or remember Nazi Pelosy buying a truckload in Amazon right before COVID hit.)
Since you
a) admit you don’t trust China
b) don’t like what you call “kook websites”
Care to look into the following since you are not a flat-earther hick, even though everyone else on FR is?
This is from a story elsewhere on FR today. Not that you do anything but troll COVID threads.
Note the principals: former director of the CDC saying COVID likely escaped from a lab
The US State Deparment Says the Wuhan institute has engaged in classified military research including laboratory animal experiments since at least 2017
When former Director of the U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) Robert Redfield said in March that “the most likely etiology of this pathogen in Wuhan was from a laboratory, you know, escaped,” people should have taken him seriously. Now The Epoch Times’ Nicole Hao has reported that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the military arm of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), “collaborated” with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). However, Hao noted, the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry and Shi Zhengli, “the WIV virologist nicknamed ‘Bat Woman’ for her research on coronaviruses of bat origin,” have denied that there was a connection between the PLA and WIV: “’I don’t know any military work at the WIV. That information is incorrect,’ said Shi at a public webinar on March 23, 2020.”
The U.S. State Department disagrees. One of its fact sheets states, “The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.”
I certainly don’t trust China and I definitely don’t like conspiracy theory websites pushing nonsense. It just muddies the waters. I’ve never called anyone on FR a “flat-earther hick”. I mock ridiculous theories and nonsense information. I really do try to avoid mocking individuals. An otherwise decent person can sometimes be led to believe silly things.
As to whether the lab in China engaged in military research, or gain of function research on SARS, or whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus came from the lab (either purposely or accidentally) or from an animal? I don’t know, but I’d love to find out. The WHO “investigation” was clearly useless from the start, but I’m sympathetic to the fact that if I were an investigator working in China on something that could badly damage China on the world stage, I’d be pretty cautious too. China has no qualms about disappearing people.
But at the end of the day, we do know one thing: once COVID-19 was out - however it started - the Chinese lied to the world about it. They claimed it was minor. They claimed it was contained. They claimed all kinds of things to prevent the world from gearing up to combat it. If we had been prepared for it, the death toll would have been vastly lower. All those deaths are 100% on China’s hands, regardless of whether it came from a lab or an animal, because their lies made it harder for the world to prepare. It wasn’t until we watched people in Italy dying in hospital hallways that we understood how serious it was, and by that point, it was too late. It was here and spreading rapidly, killing people before we even knew it had arrived or was a threat.
So regardless of whether it came from a Chinese lab, the whole situation still merits a massive response. For years I’ve called for a shift of all US manufacturing and other business away from China. Even if it doesn’t come back here, spread it across other countries who are more friendly to US interests. Starve China economically, isolate China diplomatically, and when conditions deteriorate, their people will join with the PLA in revolution. What comes next for China, I don’t know or care. But as it stands, they’re a threat to the US and the world and that threat needs to be taken seriously.
On that post, I think I mostly agree.
I’m hedging only because I don’t trust you.
Fair enough. We disagree on a lot, but seeing as we’re both here, I would venture to guess we probably agree on more than we disagree. Outside of COVID times where so much daily life and news resolves around it, we’d probably disagree a lot less. Just a guess, who knows, maybe we’d get along even worse. :-)
So us flat earthers are otherwise decent people. That's very generous of you.
As to whether the lab in China engaged in military research, or gain of function research on SARS, or whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus came from the lab (either purposely or accidentally) or from an animal? I don’t know, but I’d love to find out. The WHO “investigation” was clearly useless from the start, but I’m sympathetic to the fact that if I were an investigator working in China on something that could badly damage China on the world stage, I’d be pretty cautious too. China has no qualms about disappearing people.
Careful, there. That sounds suspiciously like a 'conspiracy theory'.
Conspiracy theory - Anything different than the approved Government narrative.
Dare I call you a flat earther?
Don't trust China, eh? Think they mighta released the rona a 'purpose, eh?
Here is the definitive answer straight from the White House and those who would know.
I know its all gobbledygook and LARPY, but maybe you can cipher it and it will resonate with you.
Sometimes conspiracy 'theories' are conspiracy 'facts'.
Straight from the White House?
You mean straight from some anonymous poster on 8chan, right?
I am told that back before TV, there were two different NBC radio networks, NBC red and NBC blue.
If I remember right, one time a radio announcer messed up and said on the air,
"Here at NBC blue network, we get our news from reliable White Horse Souses."
But in these days of fake news and fake science, if you don’t state things like “if these are the genuine numbers,” then you’re stupid.
Way to mistake a strength for a weakness.
No, I mean straight from the White House. Trump's inner circle.
The people who know.
And now, thanks to me. You know.
You're welcome.
p.s. Attributing it to 8chan is like attributing information in a telephone call to the telephone lines.
"p.s. Attributing it to 8chan is like attributing information in a telephone call to the telephone lines."
Ya know, I don't like either of you, and this just proves it, given 8chan has not existed in any tangible way for 9 months. You'd think at least one of you morons would know that...
And don't give me that, "I meant 8kun" bullshit, because both of you are too busy sucking farts out of subways seats...
Ya know, I like that you don't like me. If a dufus like you liked me, then I would think I was doing it wrong.
given 8chan has not existed in any tangible way for 9 months.
Duh.
You'd think at least one of you morons would know that...
So I guess you knowing this factoid means you got your finger on the pulse of the internet. Right, nerdling?
And don't give me that, "I meant 8kun" bullshit...
I'll give you anything I damn well please, Dork-face.
because both of you are too busy sucking farts out of subways seats...
Stupidest insult EVER. You must be really old.
And your mom taught me about the sucking fart thing.
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