Posted on 05/03/2021 11:31:34 AM PDT by Cathi
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has just released brand-new data on the percentage of people who have become infected with COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated.
In those totals, released on Friday, April 30, more than 95 million Americans were fully vaccinated as of Monday, April 26. Of those nearly 100 million fully vaccinated people, only 9,245 became infected with so-called vaccine breakthrough cases. That's an efficacy rate of 99.999.
A total of 5,827 (63 percent) of the cases were women, and 4,245 (45 percent) were adults age 60 and over.
"It is important to note that reported vaccine breakthrough cases will represent an undercount," the CDC said in a statement after the newest results were released. "This surveillance system is passive and relies on voluntary reporting from state health departments which may not be complete.
"Also, not all real-world breakthrough cases will be identified because of lack of testing. This is particularly true in instances of asymptomatic or mild illness. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases."
The CDC said it will now be releasing data on the number of breakthrough cases on a weekly basis.
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Quite a few in the immediate know dispute those figures you cited vigorously.
All 330 million are potentially susceptible. And if we weren’t seeing changes to the S protein, I would cap that number at somewhere around 82% based on the current R0 of the latest variants.
However, looking at P.1 and what happened in Manaus, Brazil (https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3939195/posts) even after 70% seroprevalence, it’s clear we can’t count on recovering from an infection with either the original Wuhan virus or the April 2020 variant to provide much immunity against P.1. When you open the door to reinfection with P.1 (or other variants), your vulnerable population enlarges to the point where pathways to those who would otherwise escape due to herd immunity.
So yes, given the data from Brazil, I think it’s reasonable to think about the entire population and not just the percentage of the population fitting under the herd immunity threshold given the R0.
And yes, it won’t necessarily prevent new infections although it will greatly reduce it by reducing the time the virus survives in a host’s body.
When did we stop caring whether the elderly, the obese, and diabetics live or die? Yes, the mortality rate is lower for those who are younger and healthier, but the overall population mortality rate is 0.65%. If you only look at those 80 and older, it’s more like 18%. It drops to 0.65% BECAUSE you factor in those younger and healthier people.
Then let them come forward with real data that disputes the real data I’ve linked to.
I’m providing authoritative sources for the numbers I’m using.
Why should we believe ANY numbers from you Vax-Pushers?
We already know CDC screwed the pooch on test kits last summer.
We already know PCR was never meant for diagnosis.
We already know the lax definitions for infection last year.
We already know Moderna was $1 billion or more in debt last year.
We already know these are not vaccines, but experimental gene therapies (according to Moderna’s own SEC filing).
We already know VAERS only gets about 1% of adverse event reports.
We already know entry of data into VAERS has been slow-walked while they tried to convince everyone to get the jab.
There are more and more sources of strange new adverse effects in young, healthy people from the jab. Doctors are discussing among themselves, avoiding the hidebound (at best) and crooked (at worst) DC bureaucracy.
We already know news footage of the “deaths on the street” in India was footage from an industrial accident a year ago.
Nobody should believe anything you jab pimps say, including the words “and” and “the”.
You just moved the goalposts.
If they’re the only ones at risk of death from COVID, don’t give the jab to everybody else; let alone involuntary forced jabs.
That’ll only make a few fat cats rich.
By the way, another MD on this forum has pointed out that humanity has never achieved herd immunity to any other coronavirus, so why the big push to force herd immunity by dubious means, it’s a fool’s errand anyway.
I don’t understand??
No immunity from prior covid or vaccine for P1 yet we reach herd immunity? Did I miss something?
Stop.
The point is how can you not break down the affected population into risk categories - that's sloppy science.
You cannot compare the risk an obese 80 year-old incurs v. a healthy 40 year old.
That’s a good question. For some strange reason, the scientists are pretty mum on this issue.
Many people seem to also disregard the long-term health implications to many recovered COVID patients. The number of people with long-term complications following hospitalization is not insignificant.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
I didn't. I responded to a question using the latest available information based on real-world events. New information should always inform your worldview. If it doesn't, your views are likely diverging from reality in a hurry.
"If they’re the only ones at risk of death from COVID"
They aren't. They're at the highest risk. Children and even infants have died from COVID-19. It's rare, but it has happened. Again, sticking with observable reality here.
"don’t give the jab to everybody else"
So take their choice away? No thanks. I think the proper role of government here is to ensure that accurate and timely information is being provided to people and allow adults to make adult decisions. I don't want the government interfering in the medical decisions adults are making about what's in their own best interests.
"let alone involuntary forced jabs"
Strawman argument, seeing as these don't exist in reality. No one in the US is being forced to get a COVID-19 vaccination.
"By the way, another MD on this forum has pointed out that humanity has never achieved herd immunity to any other coronavirus, so why the big push to force herd immunity by dubious means, it’s a fool’s errand anyway."
There are only 7 coronaviruses known to infect humans. 4 of them cause mild symptoms and are among the over 200 viruses that cause what we collectively refer to as the "common cold." There's no vaccine against the common cold because creating one vaccine covering over 200 different viruses from multiple families would cost a fortune. Nobody's going to pay $30,000 a year to avoid getting a cold. So there's no market. So there's no product. That's how free markets work.
The other three viruses in the coronavirus subfamily include SARS-CoV-1 (SARS2003), MERS-CoV MERS2012), and SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). We did achieve herd immunity with SARS2003 and MERS2012. Their R0 was so low that they died out quickly. Israel is at or near herd immunity with COVID-19. Why? They vaccinated most of their population. Now they have an average of ~50 cases per day and 1 death per day in the whole country. All their neighbors are seeing COVID-19 cases and deaths either hold steady or rise, but not Israel.
The P.1 (Brazil) variant includes mutations that cause a small structural change to the S protein. That’s the protein that enables cell entry and which is primarily targeted by the human immune system (i.e. the antigen). You can think of the S protein like a key to the locks (ACE2 receptors) on the membrane protecting your cells. The antibodies your body produces to fight an infection (same ones produced by a vaccination) are like a lock that binds to the keys on SARS-CoV-2 virions. Once that lock is stuck on there, the key no longer works.
The problem is that if that key changes a little, the locks (antibodies) may not be able to bind as effectively. If you throw enough locks at it, one may get lucky and “click” into place, but suddenly you have to throw a lot more at it for that to happen. Otherwise, those keys are still working. Mild infections of the April 2020 variant of SARS-CoV-2 produce a relatively low number of antibodies in most people. Severe infections and vaccinations produce much higher numbers. Most infections (about 80%) with COVID-19 are mild or asymptomatic, so those people all have a low number of those locks (antibodies) in their systems. If they get exposed to the April 2020 variant, that’s still enough to prevent reinfection in 9,999 out of 10,000 times. But with P.1, those odds are much, much worse because of that small change in the key (antigen) structure.
Hopefully that makes sense?
Here’s a short video (under 1 minute) that shows what the normal antibody binding process looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYlZJiuf18
Singapore too. They were mostly Covid free except for a small cluster recently at some hospital and they quickly clamped down on it. Singapore had one of the best responses to Covid in the world and they did well.
Well, you can compare them. And each individual should weigh the risks of disease against whatever risks there are for vaccination given their personal medical history and current health situation.
But from an epidemiological standpoint, when you’re talking about risks to the population as a whole (e.g. how many casualties can we expect), you don’t need to break down by groups when you’re discussing the entire population as a whole. If the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) for the entire population is 0.65%, and if variants have demonstrated they can largely ignore the vast majority of previous infections (P.1 has demonstrated this in Brazil), then it’s entirely appropriate to set an upper bound of population casualties by taking the IFR and multiplying it against the population total.
They aren't. They're at the highest risk. Children and even infants have died from COVID-19. It's rare, but it has happened. Again, sticking with observable reality here.
Rhetorical setup by me.
Trap SPRUNG.
What is the death rate by age cohort from COVID?
You pro-jabbers have been quoting the "1.78%" or whatever (even though that is inflated) as though it applied equally to each and every person exposed.
But it doesn't.
There are two steps.
FIRST you have to get infected.
THEN you have to die.
But the young don't get infected as often.
And when they do get infected, they die a LOT less than fat old people with diabetes.
You need to compare, age segment-by age-segment, BMI-quintile by BMI-quintile, the risks of death from catching covid, and the risks from the jabs.
Except that the jabs SPECIFICALLY HAVVE NOT BEEN STUDIED for the youth, or pregnant women.
Well, that leaves the other comparison.
The likelihood of catching the coof.
Even after all the hype and fuss, maybe 10% of the entire US population has had the coof.
Again, concentrated in the old, thanks Gov Cuomo...
But if you take the jab you are guaranteed to be exposed to the mRNA.
So real science would be:
1.0 (chance of getting the jab) * risk of sequelae for your age
VS.
< 10% chance of getting the coof (adjusted by age) * risk of sequelae (adjusted for your age / health conditions)
For the overwhelming majority of normal people, the jab is a greater risk than the coof.
And that's just going by the published stats from VAERS, which according to a Harvard Study, only catches about 1% of the adverse events; AND which hasn't been going very long (so it won't catch delayed effects, cause the jabs are too new for that) ; AND the powers that be have been slow-walking entering adverse events into it.
But your prescription is "EVERYONE GET THE JAB UNLIKE THE HICK BIBLE THUMPERS!"
No, you fascist. (Fascism is "govt.-private partnership" to take over people's lives.)
I completely agree with you. I know some COVID “long haulers”, including a woman in her 40s who was in excellent health and who went through a moderate case of COVID-19 (bad symptomcs but not hospitalized) about 7 months ago. She’s had severe back pain ever since then with no identifiable cause. She’s getting vaccinated in the hopes that it relieves that problem as it has for many long-haulers.
She hasn’t been able to work since then because of her health issues and this was a woman who was very active previously. That has a cost to society and to families.
Now remove the millions of falsified "cases" of COVID-19 caused by using PCR and loose clinical desiderata to define a case.
That's how science (and honesty) works.
And people are telling you they don't want the jab, which you and your ilk falsely label a vaccine, so you can get under the "no liability" umbrella. So STFU about it already.
THAT's how free markets work. Not by government enforced "Vaccine Passports"
Which is why the Maltese False-Con changing his vote on 0moebacare ("the magic bill that is and isn't a tax, depending on which legal hurdle it needs to cross at the moment") was so important: it established the principle the government could make you pay for something even if you didn't want it.
That's how Fauxists and Communists work, not free markets.
Oh yeah. In the Free Market, companies assume the risk of their product injuring the consumer. Why not here, Pharmbot?
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