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To: grey_whiskers
"You just moved the goalposts."

I didn't. I responded to a question using the latest available information based on real-world events. New information should always inform your worldview. If it doesn't, your views are likely diverging from reality in a hurry.

"If they’re the only ones at risk of death from COVID"

They aren't. They're at the highest risk. Children and even infants have died from COVID-19. It's rare, but it has happened. Again, sticking with observable reality here.

"don’t give the jab to everybody else"

So take their choice away? No thanks. I think the proper role of government here is to ensure that accurate and timely information is being provided to people and allow adults to make adult decisions. I don't want the government interfering in the medical decisions adults are making about what's in their own best interests.

"let alone involuntary forced jabs"

Strawman argument, seeing as these don't exist in reality. No one in the US is being forced to get a COVID-19 vaccination.

"By the way, another MD on this forum has pointed out that humanity has never achieved herd immunity to any other coronavirus, so why the big push to force herd immunity by dubious means, it’s a fool’s errand anyway."

There are only 7 coronaviruses known to infect humans. 4 of them cause mild symptoms and are among the over 200 viruses that cause what we collectively refer to as the "common cold." There's no vaccine against the common cold because creating one vaccine covering over 200 different viruses from multiple families would cost a fortune. Nobody's going to pay $30,000 a year to avoid getting a cold. So there's no market. So there's no product. That's how free markets work.

The other three viruses in the coronavirus subfamily include SARS-CoV-1 (SARS2003), MERS-CoV MERS2012), and SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). We did achieve herd immunity with SARS2003 and MERS2012. Their R0 was so low that they died out quickly. Israel is at or near herd immunity with COVID-19. Why? They vaccinated most of their population. Now they have an average of ~50 cases per day and 1 death per day in the whole country. All their neighbors are seeing COVID-19 cases and deaths either hold steady or rise, but not Israel.

32 posted on 05/03/2021 12:32:39 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Singapore too. They were mostly Covid free except for a small cluster recently at some hospital and they quickly clamped down on it. Singapore had one of the best responses to Covid in the world and they did well.


34 posted on 05/03/2021 12:43:56 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
"If they’re the only ones at risk of death from COVID"

They aren't. They're at the highest risk. Children and even infants have died from COVID-19. It's rare, but it has happened. Again, sticking with observable reality here.

Rhetorical setup by me.

Trap SPRUNG.

What is the death rate by age cohort from COVID?

You pro-jabbers have been quoting the "1.78%" or whatever (even though that is inflated) as though it applied equally to each and every person exposed.

But it doesn't.

There are two steps.

FIRST you have to get infected.

THEN you have to die.

But the young don't get infected as often.

And when they do get infected, they die a LOT less than fat old people with diabetes.

You need to compare, age segment-by age-segment, BMI-quintile by BMI-quintile, the risks of death from catching covid, and the risks from the jabs.

Except that the jabs SPECIFICALLY HAVVE NOT BEEN STUDIED for the youth, or pregnant women.

Well, that leaves the other comparison.

The likelihood of catching the coof.

Even after all the hype and fuss, maybe 10% of the entire US population has had the coof.

Again, concentrated in the old, thanks Gov Cuomo...

But if you take the jab you are guaranteed to be exposed to the mRNA.

So real science would be:

1.0 (chance of getting the jab) * risk of sequelae for your age
VS.
< 10% chance of getting the coof (adjusted by age) * risk of sequelae (adjusted for your age / health conditions)

For the overwhelming majority of normal people, the jab is a greater risk than the coof.

And that's just going by the published stats from VAERS, which according to a Harvard Study, only catches about 1% of the adverse events; AND which hasn't been going very long (so it won't catch delayed effects, cause the jabs are too new for that) ; AND the powers that be have been slow-walking entering adverse events into it.

But your prescription is "EVERYONE GET THE JAB UNLIKE THE HICK BIBLE THUMPERS!"

No, you fascist. (Fascism is "govt.-private partnership" to take over people's lives.)

36 posted on 05/03/2021 12:47:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
There are only 7 coronaviruses known to infect humans. 4 of them cause mild symptoms and are among the over 200 viruses that cause what we collectively refer to as the "common cold." There's no vaccine against the common cold because creating one vaccine covering over 200 different viruses from multiple families would cost a fortune. Nobody's going to pay $30,000 a year to avoid getting a cold. So there's no market. So there's no product. That's how free markets work.

Now remove the millions of falsified "cases" of COVID-19 caused by using PCR and loose clinical desiderata to define a case.

That's how science (and honesty) works.

38 posted on 05/03/2021 12:48:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
So there's no market. So there's no product. That's how free markets work.

And people are telling you they don't want the jab, which you and your ilk falsely label a vaccine, so you can get under the "no liability" umbrella. So STFU about it already.

THAT's how free markets work. Not by government enforced "Vaccine Passports"

Which is why the Maltese False-Con changing his vote on 0moebacare ("the magic bill that is and isn't a tax, depending on which legal hurdle it needs to cross at the moment") was so important: it established the principle the government could make you pay for something even if you didn't want it.

That's how Fauxists and Communists work, not free markets.

Oh yeah. In the Free Market, companies assume the risk of their product injuring the consumer. Why not here, Pharmbot?

40 posted on 05/03/2021 12:53:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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