Posted on 04/30/2021 5:20:10 AM PDT by C19fan
Moscow on a midsummer’s night in 1941 was a balmy place to be. For the discerning, there was Chekhov’s Three Sisters playing to full houses, while opera lovers had a choice between Rigoletto and La Traviata.
Others fished for their suppers on the banks of the river, tended their allotments, or simply strolled through Gorky Park.
All felt safe in the knowledge that, for the past two years (give or take a few weeks), Stalin’s Soviet Union had been in a pact of friendship and non-aggression with Hitler’s Germany.
Though their fundamental political beliefs were polar opposites — one communist, the other fascist — the two biggest nations in Europe had agreed not to go to war with each other.
Until, suddenly, this cosy world turned on its head. The next morning those same Moscow streets were filled with silent, anxious crowds surrounding public loudspeakers, from which came the trembling, echoing voice of Molotov, the minister of foreign affairs.
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You can thank Mussolini for that. He was the best "ally" we had.
Also keep in mind The Soviets had no problem supplying and supporting the Nazis when they were invading France and Bombing Britain.
The nationalist socialism of the Germans and the international socialism of the Russians were nearly identical. They are both socialist, both anti-Jew, both violent toward scapegoats among their own people, and both expansionist. The only difference is in how they saw the people they planned to conquer or kill in other countries
You are 100% correct and if only your one paragraph would be taught in schools, the USA would be a totally different place.
The nazis were left wing not right wing, as they wanted total control by the gummint but were smart enough to know that business produced more stuff, more efficiently than bureaucrats.
The nazi model is more akin to the Chi-Coms than the old soviet model, but all are communists in the belief that the state runs it all.
There is no room for God in that model which is why God is being pushed out of the watered down US Constitution.
Pure bovine excrement. The two could not be more closely related.
Ever wonder why the Soviets always referred to the Germans as “Fascists” and not “Nazis”? The Fascists were Italian.
Could it be because Nazi was short for “National Socialist”, and that would be admitting that they were fellow Socialists?
Joseph Scholmer was a German Communist and anti-Nazi activist who was eventually imprisoned by the Nazis. After the war, while living in East Germany, he was arrested on a trumped-up charge and wound up in Vorkuta, a Gulag camp in the arctic and later recounted his experience in the book Vorkuta (New York: Holt, 1955). He wrote that had the Nazis announced that they were coming to liberate the Soviet Union, four million Soviet citizens would have joined them and Hitler would have won the war.
General Vlasov offered to fight for the Nazis, but Hitler was leery of having a Russian Army fighting on his side, because he figured eventually they would turn on the Germans, which frankly, he probably was right about.
Nope.
Could it be because Nazi was short for “National Socialist”, and that would be admitting that they were fellow Socialists?
Yup.
Walter Krivitzky, the the high-ranking Main Intelligence Administration (GRU) officer who defected and wrote In Stalin's Secret Service (New York: Holt, 1939) told Whittaker Chambers that the Soviet Union practiced a form of fascism, and this became manifest in 1921 when Lenin ordered the suppression of the Kronstadt mutiny, turning against the very sailors whose 1917 mutiny propelled the Bolsheviks to power.
You both beat me.
Personally, I think Hitlers first and biggest mistake was not going south to seize the oil fields.
Hitler lost the war because of the U.S.A.
Period.
The thing is, had Hitler taken Moscow, would Stalin have survived politically, and literally? I think there was a great chance he would have been deposed, and maybe more level heads would have abandoned Bolshevism.
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No kidding. But there is another new book out there-—not about Barbarossa specifically-—that argues in Hitler’s mind Stalin and FDR were “Jewish enablers” who had to be eliminated. It was never strategic or geopolitical to him, it was always, always about killing Jews. The book claimed that he thought even if he eliminated every Jew in Europe, that leaving Russia under the “Jewish bolsheviks” like Stalin would make the effort meaningless.
Sorry, can’t remember this title. I didn’t keep it because of my very limited library shelf space here.
Always wondered in Soviets could have won without the massive amount of aid given to them by the US.
The thing is that the entire “Nazis would have conquered the world” isn’t true.
Nazi Germany was never going to win the second world war. the only way Nazi Germany wins is if
1. Hitler is not in power and Germany is not “Nazi” Germany
2. The war starts at a different time and place
People misunderstand the situation of Nazi Germany in WW2. From the outside, they look like a rather unstoppable military that only the combined efforts of the allied powers could bring down.
1. Next to no oil was produced in Germany. Their only method of making in came from turning coal into oil and they were even short on coal after their industrialization in the 19th century. They only had the Romanian oil fields to rely on and this was nowhere near enough.
2. Their naval surface fleet was very small and underpowered. It could not stand up to even the French Navy forget about the British Navy.
3. They did not have enough manpower. In a war the size of WW2 you need every man to be involved. Not only do you need to staff a military that is 10 million strong but you must also have men in factories making equipping and men in the farms growing food.
In contrast, Russia had a lot more men. Even the UK had more men - really? Yes. The British had a 2 million strong VOLUNTEER British India army.
4. Germany produced equipment too slowly. Every allied power had Germany beat in terms of production. Not only did German decide on complex tank and gun models but they frequently changed them during production. This meant production had to stop, retool, and resume constantly.
The Germans went for highly complex machinery that were customized and difficult to build quickly. In contrast look at the liberty ships - built in a couple of weeks. The American and Russian tanks were cruder but quicker to build and easier to maintain.
There was no way Germany was going to win in the long run
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