4/18/2021, 4:42:21 PM · by ransomnote · 65 replies
odysee.com ^ | April 15, 2021 | @DRutter, Dr. Charles Hoffe
Posted on 04/24/2021 12:45:13 PM PDT by ransomnote
Here’s experimental results showing the mRNA itself introduces abnormal clotting even without entering cells.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.05.21252960v1.full
Make that, "Vegan crossfit atheist Tranny Rights Jehovah's Witness."
You may have noticed the ‘flat earthers’ have a new line of attack. Now, they’re predicting dire consequences from the vaccine three or four years in the future. No side effects now, but boy just you wait...
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With all due respect, didn’t the term “flat earthers” originate from the centuries old antiquated yet prevailing erroneous believe that earth was flat?
Hmmm Sort of like the prevailing erroneous(?) belief that vaccines are safe even if only tested for several months...
Centuries ago, wasn’t it the courageous few politically incorrect who ventured to say the world is not flat—and later explorers went on to discover the New World...
Flat earthers...Conventional wisdom...
Think about it...
600 particpants (vs 30,000 for Phase 3)
Penn is out of date and/or inaccurate.
They need manufacturing and distribution time.
As the graph I posted explains, they manufactured during the trial in the hope that it would work. No real risk since Trump paid for them up front.
Penn is out of date and/or inaccurate.
They need manufacturing and distribution time.
As the graph I posted explains, they manufactured during the trial in the hope that it would work. No real risk since Trump paid for them up front.
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That Pubmed article you linked was written by employees of Moderna so I don't consider it legitimate, objective information. Found something on NIH but questions were directed to Anthony Fauci. The medical establishment has so much control getting an objective opinion is a hall of mirrors.
Penn is a better source here. Otherwise I'm reading marketing materails (Fauci, Moderna and Pfizer, NIH are all collaborating).
Moderna still hasn't handed over the rest of its raw data and the editor of a British Medical Journal has been crunching the numbers on whatever data he can extract and so far, the data suggests it's nowhere near as effective as claimed.
Moderna can't complain if it fails to follow professional standards and is therefore not considered legit.
A key feature missing in Moderna and other studies is longevity. 2 to 3 months of observation is really just phoning it in - claiming to have trials but making them small and too quick to learn anything.
The Penn paper said that the studies it reviewed were small and Moderna's Phase II was only 600 people when range is usually 1000 to 2000. There's a rushed thrown together 'technicality' (technically, we're calling this our phase 2, our phase 3). The communications i found varied on when and how many would be in the trials to the extent that I can understand Penn published was was available then.
But we're talking about Moderna, a company who intentionally chose to base its experimental design on a PCR 'test' that has rated Coca Cola, goats, and fruit positive for Covid-19. Moderna based it's vaccine on China's genome which China released in January. Moderna wasn't working on sequencing the genome for itself, the morning China released the genome, Moderna engineers got to work.
So we're talking about China releasing the China virus and then releasing a fake genome, because China says it did not base that genome on live virus but used software to basically interpolate what would be the genome, except Covid-19 is supposed to be unpredictable as it is 'novel'....so you see, I'm not expecting honesty and it's pointless for me to spend more time wondering what Moderna said or did - they are lying.
For example, Moderna and all other mRNA's reported no serious side effects. But in the article below, the Doctor reports neurological damage and anaphylaxis in his 900 patients.
Moderna said anaphylaxis would be estimated at 1 out of 100,000 and the doctor had two out of 900 patients So out of Moderna's 38K Phase III participants (the nubmers vary. I've seen Moderna content stating 50K, 40K, 30K and 28K - this is why infomration for Moderna will always seem 'out of date').
The doctor described neurological damage that behaves like MS, but Moderna says their trials revealed none. Well, in 2 or 3 months? Maybe? But Moderna lies so there's that....
gas_dr wrote: “I know. Increasingly bizarre theories on the hope that nothing would work. I don’t get it. I am aware people may choose to not get vaccinated. But good heavens they are like the in your face libtards.”
Part of the joy, a very big part, of a conspiracy theory is the belief that you’re smarter than others, that you have discovered a kernel of belief known only to the really, really, smart people such as yourself. It does little good to know you’re really, really, smart unless you can demonstrate to others just how really, really, smart you are.
And, yes, the anti-vaxxers do believe in a conspiracy that involves all the major decision makers to advance a coup of sorts. The actually dimensions of the coup vary and may include up to the genocide of up to 90% of the human race.
This theory falls apart, as do most conspiracies, when one considers how many must be a part of the conspiracy for it to succeed. For example, the conspiracy would have to include millions of health care professionals world wide acting in concert to advance the conspiracy by over-hyping the dangers of the virus. These professionals would also have to be in concert to minimize the dangers of the vaccines.
Millions but only those with the access to the special knowledge of the conspiracy theory speak out by making videos. They have to resort to videos since everyone else is suppressing their information and prohibiting it’s publication in medical journals.
Give us the list of names. Please.
“Never, EVER trust an ex-dem.”
I would trust an ex-Dem who is blue collar and otherwise conservative.
“Ex-Dems” working in vax/Pharma research and/or spouting the scamdemic line are actual Dems.
Also the UT poster.
Telling me that my employer can mandate the vax is no different than holding me down. People who cannot work and eat unless they accept the injected biowarfare, are forced.
All vaccine and drug trials are run by the company that wants to get their product approved. Moderna is doing nothing different. FDA then reviews the data submitted. Surprise! we still live in a somewhat capitalist country, and drugs and vaccines are products created by private companies. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable somewhere nice and safe and socialist where the governments makes and tests their own drugs and vaccines for its citizens.
If you hate the American system, fine, that's on you. But stop spreading FUD about the process here, which is totally standard, just accelerated. It kinda of sickens me that when Trump actually gets the government to speed up and get rid of some of the bureaucratic BS, conservatives here start crying like babies for their government protection. No wonder this country is screwed up.
An employer and employee relationship is a private contract governed between individuals. If the employer risks telling an employee they need vaccination he risks losing that employee while at the same time an employee is free to look for another job. This is dangerously close to interference with a private contract.
I know we have had this discussion before, but I live in one of the freest at will states in the country and I am glad that I do. My behavior a an employer must be tempered with the potential loss of an employee if I go to far.
The free market works and I am not required to give anyone a living. Nor is anyone required to work for me. Its a conundrum.
Moderna is refusing to release their raw data to prove their efficacy claims. The MSM and NIH/CDC are suppressing anything negative about the 'vaccine' that doesn't stop spread or infection. This is different.
"Moderna had been trying to "Modernize our RNA" (thus the company name)--for years, but had never successfully brought ANY product to market--how nice for them to get a major cash infusion from the government to keep trying."*
FDA then reviews the data submitted. Surprise! we still live in a somewhat capitalist country, and drugs and vaccines are products created by private companies.
MODERNA is faking it's way through experimental trials that are far too small and too brief to say much of anything and somehow we're now supposed to think it's normal to use experimental vaccines that never worked in the past.
I do remember FDA approved products that went through 12 years or so of testing with a track record of success before being offered to the public, but now I'm supposedly anti-capitalist because I am rejecting Moderna's shoddy experimental 'vaccine'.
Maybe you'd feel more comfortable somewhere nice and safe and socialist where the governments makes and tests their own drugs and vaccines for its citizens.
Our government is making and testing these 'vaccines' in collaboration with the companies. The NIH/Fauci have been working with Moderna and Pfizer.
"FAUCI AND SIX OTHERS AT NIAID OWN PATENTS IN THE MODERNA VACCINE" *
But that's how you want to roll - let the company force the workers to buy from the company store?
If you hate the American system, fine, that's on you.
You support the government owning patents in the MODERNA vaccine, knowing that Moderna has never brought a product to market before, pressuring people to take it, 'normalizing' the abandonment of safety precautions on a vaccine that doesn't do what other vaccines do ,based on fake statistics the government pushes. I love the American system and I miss it with all my heart.
But stop spreading FUD about the process here, which is totally standard, just accelerated.
The CDC has literally re-defined the term 'vaccine' on its webpage to match what they want us to believe the mRNA products are. We are being lied to on an epic scale never before seen in history. We are witnessing medical tyranny and crimes against humanity. The CDC/Faucists have redefined how immunity works, outsourced to companies like Moderna, which calls it's 'vaccine' an operating system. They are pushing this fake vaccine on pregnant women and children without having tested it before and with its 15 years of disasterous, failed experimental recored.
There so much more - all of it horrible and you are claiming this is all 'totally standard' just accelerated.
It kinda of sickens me that when Trump actually gets the government to speed up and get rid of some of the bureaucratic BS, conservatives here start crying like babies for their government protection. No wonder this country is screwed up.
I'm disgusted by those insisting we remain silent while China uses a medical coup to overthrow the US, one body at a time.
* 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Deconstructing Conventional ^ | April 5, 2021 | Christian Elliot
Listen, this is more important than poor drug companies. They hated Trump and he should never have thought they were working for him. He goofed up on this and people are paying now and will pay later for this. If I were him I would allow Biden to own it.
I am aware people may choose to not get vaccinated. But good heavens they are like the in your face libtards. They can’t just make a decision for themselves they have to get in the face of those who disagree.
When they’ve finished preening, they ask me “Have you gotten yours yet?” To which I reply, “No, I’m not interested.” And then, they are all either inquisitive “Well, why not?” (as if I must explain myself, but “I wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole” is a succinct answer), or defensive “Oh, so you think I shouldn’t have?” (I never said anything about them or their decision, so WTH?)
The PTB sure know how to divide people, I swear...
And you still cannot get around that the employer cannot dictate my personal health and immunity outside of the time I am actually working for them. The TX legislature made a similar determination when employees were accorded the right to keep personal firearms locked in their vehicles on company property. That right was fought by the Democrats and big business.
Constitutional rights to health and personal security trumps business concerns. There are limits to what businesses can do to their employees. Masking is one thing.
You can hide behind private business and free enterprise all you want. We know all you really want is to remove the God-given right to consent to medical treatment.
Why is it that state medical associations and MDs are the ones trying to remove religious exemptions? CT (a Dem controlled state?) just had their state House pass a bill to do exactly that. What are you doing to fight this?
Here are the “libtards” doing exactly the opposite of what you claim:
Lookie, here, an SEC filing frop Moderna.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm
They're over 1 billion in debt:
Since inception, we have incurred significant net losses. As of June 30, 2020, we had an accumulated deficit of $1.74 billion. We may continue to incur significant expenses and operating losses for the foreseeable future. In addition, we anticipate that our expenses will increase significantly in connection with our ongoing activities to support our platform research, drug discovery and clinical development, infrastructure and Research Engine and Early Development Engine, digital infrastructure, creation of a portfolio of intellectual property, expansion into global markets, and administrative support. (page 11)
And on pages 69-70, they talk about the difficulty in getting mRNA treatments approved:
We are creating a new class of medicines based on mRNA, to improve the lives of patients. From the beginning, we designed our strategy and operations to realize the full potential value and impact of mRNA over a long time horizon across a broad array of human diseases. We have made investments in our platform, infrastructure, and clinical capabilities that have enabled us to establish a large pipeline of development candidates, of which many are in clinical trials or have an open IND. As our development candidates and investigational medicines progress, we or others may determine that: certain of our risk allocation decisions were incorrect or insufficient; we made platform level technology mistakes; individual programs or our mRNA science in general has technology or biology risks that were unknown or under-appreciated; our choices on how to develop our infrastructure to support our scale will result in an inability to manufacture our investigational medicines for clinical trials or otherwise impair our manufacturing; or we have allocated resources in such a way that large investments are not recovered and capital allocation is not subject to rapid re-direction. All of these risks may relate to our current and future programs sharing similar science (including mRNA science) and infrastructure, and in the event material decisions in any of these areas turn out to have been incorrect or under-optimized, we may experience a material adverse impact on our business and ability to fund our operations and we may never realize what we believe is the potential of mRNA.
*No mRNA drug has been approved in this new potential class of medicines, and may never be approved as a result of efforts by others or us. mRNA drug development has substantial clinical development and regulatory risks due to the novel and unprecedented nature of this new class of medicines.
As a potential new class of medicines, no mRNA medicines have been approved to date by the FDA or other regulatory agency. Successful discovery and development of mRNA medicines by either us or our strategic collaborators is highly uncertain and depends on numerous factors, many of which are beyond our or their control. We have made and will continue to make a series of business decisions and take calculated risks to advance our development efforts and pipeline, including those related to mRNA technology, delivery technology, and manufacturing processes, which may be shown to be incorrect based on further work by us, our strategic collaborators, or others. Prior to the Phase 3 trial for mRNA-1273 and that of one other company, there had never been a Phase 3 trial in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient, and there has never been and there may never be a commercialized product in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient. Our mRNA investigational medicines that appear promising in the early phases of development may fail to advance, experience delays in the clinic, experience clinical holds, or fail to reach the market for many reasons, including:
•discovery efforts at identifying potential mRNA medicines may not be successful;
•nonclinical or preclinical study results may show potential mRNA medicines to be less effective than desired or to have harmful or problematic side effects;
•clinical trial results may show potential mRNA medicines to be less effective than expected (e.g., a clinical trial could fail to meet one or more endpoint(s)) or to have unacceptable side effects or toxicities;
•adverse effects in any one of our clinical programs or adverse effects relating to our mRNA, or our lipid nanoparticles, or LNPs, may lead to delays in or termination of one or more of our programs;
•the insufficient ability of our translational models to reduce risk or predict outcomes in humans, particularly given that each component of our investigational medicines and development candidates may have a dependent or independent effect on safety, tolerability, and efficacy, which may, among other things, be species-dependent;
•manufacturing failures or insufficient supply of cGMP materials for clinical trials, or higher than expected cost could delay or set back clinical trials, or make mRNA-based medicines commercially unattractive;
•our improvements in the manufacturing processes for this new class of potential medicines may not be sufficient to satisfy the clinical or commercial demand of our investigational medicines or regulatory requirements for clinical trials;
•changes that we make to optimize our manufacturing, testing or formulating of cGMP materials could impact the safety, tolerability, and efficacy of our investigational medicines and development candidates;
•pricing or reimbursement issues or other factors that delay clinical trials or make any mRNA medicine uneconomical or noncompetitive with other therapies;
•failure to timely advance our programs or receive the necessary regulatory approvals or a delay in receiving such approvals, due to, among other reasons, slow or failure to complete enrollment in clinical trials, withdrawal by trial participants from trials, failure to achieve trial endpoints, additional time requirements for data analysis, data integrity issues, Biologics License Application, or BLA, or the equivalent application, discussions with the FDA or EMA, a regulatory request for additional nonclinical or clinical data, or safety formulation or manufacturing issues may lead to our inability to obtain sufficient funding; and
•the proprietary rights of others and their competing products and technologies that may prevent our mRNA medicines from being commercialized.
They do go on to mention :
*We have incurred significant losses since our inception and anticipate that we will continue to incur significant losses for the foreseeable future.
We have incurred net losses in each year since our inception in 2009, including net losses of $514.0 million, $384.7 million and $255.9 million for the years ended December 31, 2019, 2018 and 2017, respectively. As of June 30, 2020, we had an accumulated deficit of $1.74 billion.
Please show me where in the constitution the word health appears.
Look I respect your opinion and I agree it a difficult subject. And you are right no employer has the right to tell you what to do. But on the same page no employee as a right to employment. So this is why I err on this. If an employee can force his will on the employer then the employer has not fundamental rights to control his business fhat he has a personal investment in
The protection of at will is based entirely in freedom. I would prefer to leave it there without government interference. There are a lot of people who won’t require a vaccine.
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