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How Fast Are Oceans Rising? The Answer May Be In Century-Old Shipping Logs
NPR ^ | March 1, 2021 | Lauren Sommer

Posted on 03/04/2021 7:43:52 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Off the coast of England, there's a tiny, wind-swept island with the remains of a lifeboat rescue station from the mid-1800s. The workers who once ran the station on Hilbre Island did something that, unbeknownst to them, has become crucial for understanding the future of a hotter climate: They recorded the tides.

The data, scrawled in long, handwritten ledgers, is just one example of the tens of thousands of pages of tidal measurements stored in archives around the world. Now, scientists and historians are racing to digitize them in an effort to understand how fast oceans are rising. The aging notebooks establish a historical baseline to compare with today's changing world.

Sea level rise is accelerating around the globe, likely to displace millions of people who live in coastal communities. Forecasts show between 3 and 6 feet of rise by the end of the century, or potentially more, depending on how much heat-trapping pollution humans emit.

Knowing exactly how much inundation to expect and how fast it's happening in each city can be tricky. Sea levels rise at different rates in different places due to the movement of the Earth's crust and ocean currents.

Long-term historical data, diligently tallied when the shipping industry was king, provide a window into these geologic processes and help improve the complex computer models scientists use to forecast the future. Those forecasts are crucial for helping cities prepare, whether it's building infrastructure to protect themselves or moving people out of harm's way.

Still, the vast majority of these historical records come from Europe and the U.S., leaving a glaring data gap in the Southern Hemisphere. That has researchers scouring archives of the Global South, including the ledgers of former colonial powers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Science; Society; Weather; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: africa; climatechange; europe; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; icemelt; models; sealevelrise; shippinglogs; southamerica; uk; usa; waterlevelreadings
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To: Psalm 73

“I’m 40 miles from the shore and 650 feet above sea level. I’m good.”

With a little patience, beachfront property will be yours.


21 posted on 03/04/2021 7:54:27 AM PST by PTBAA
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To: Red Badger

Well... Guam is tipping.


22 posted on 03/04/2021 7:54:54 AM PST by redshawk ( I want my red balloon. ( https://youtu.be/zNLpfEDliV0)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Key fact and ambiguity content from the article:

Global sea levels have already risen about 8 inches since 1900 on average, but in some locations, the water has risen substantially higher.

However, nowhere does it state the actual NUMBERS where "the water has risen substantially higher".

Key ASSUMPTIONS in article (that is, not a fact or facts):

Sea level rise is accelerating around the globe, likely to displace millions of people who live in coastal communities. Forecasts show between 3 and 6 feet of rise by the end of the century, or potentially more, depending on how much heat-trapping pollution humans emit.

What BS. 8 inches versus 6 feet. Which will it be?

Lauren Sommer will be dead by then, so no one can call her out on her bull Shi'ite.

23 posted on 03/04/2021 7:56:45 AM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I had the opportunity to spend several weeks cruising the fjords of Norway a few years ago. I noticed one sheer wall that had a series of iron eyes driven in the rock roughly 20’-25’from the sea level. When we stopped for fuel, I asked the marina help what those eyes were for. His answer was fascinating. Those were hooks that were left over from 17th century whaling ships. I asked why they were so far from the waterline. He said because the waterline was so much higher in the 17th century.

Go figure.


24 posted on 03/04/2021 7:57:20 AM PST by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sea level rise is accelerating around the globe, likely to displace millions of people who live in coastal communities. Forecasts show between 3 and 6 feet of rise by the end of the century...

Eighty years...you’d think they would notice and move
out of the way.


25 posted on 03/04/2021 7:57:37 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: KC_Lion

And three feet above the water at high tide.


26 posted on 03/04/2021 7:57:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There has been a huge amount of drivel published on “rising seas” but this is a tour de force of slavish adherence to the dogma. The ignorance is phenomenal.


27 posted on 03/04/2021 7:59:10 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative)
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To: Psalm 73
I’m 40 miles from the shore and 650 feet above sea level. I’m good.

Don't be so sure of that. Odessa Texas used to be under the ocean, and it's now at 2700 feet above sea level. So if it goes underwater again, you're in pretty deep. You probably need to move to Denver to be safe. Or book a tropical resort on Vinson Massif in Antarctica.

28 posted on 03/04/2021 7:59:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Red Badger

How about erosion.


29 posted on 03/04/2021 8:00:15 AM PST by DownInFlames (Gam)
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To: Psalm 73

I’m 40 miles from the shore and 650 feet above sea level. I’m good.


Screw you and your elevation privilege. /sarc


30 posted on 03/04/2021 8:00:45 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity ("...for the sake of His name." Psalm 23:3)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Changing ocean mean waterlines at particular shorelines are not precise indicators of oceans having more volume

River alteration

Shoreline changes

Snowfall melt that epoch

And most importantly subtle changes in how our big rock spins have an effect too

Scientists know this they just don’t want to say it if it ruins a narrative


31 posted on 03/04/2021 8:00:51 AM PST by wardaddy (P IN 1999 JIM THOMPSON WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE BUSHES ...WE WERE WRONG)
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To: icclearly
We'll all be underwater soon.
32 posted on 03/04/2021 8:01:13 AM PST by 55Ford
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

About 20,000 years ago the sea levels were approximately 430’ lower than they are today. This is 131064 millimeters. So the sea has been rising about 6.5 mm per year for 20,000 years. I think we can get out of the way in time if needed.

Note, I live on the coast at about 4 feet above sea level. I am not selling anytime soon.


33 posted on 03/04/2021 8:02:34 AM PST by CollegeRepublican
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Lying filth! The SUN goes through thousand and hundred and tens of years cycles. Measuring some tiny change during one of those very long cycles and attributing it to SUV”s on earth is SCIENTIFIC FRAUD.,


34 posted on 03/04/2021 8:02:44 AM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Remember: 10,000 years ago (just yesterday) we were in an ice age. I feel like its pretty tough to control the global temperature


35 posted on 03/04/2021 8:03:04 AM PST by olepap
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To: Reno89519

“I have yet to see any proof whatsoever of rising waters. The water line at Battery Park in NYC, the bell/float at south tip of Key West, etc. are still the same as they have always been. I haven’t read about Obama putting his $17 million beach estate in Nantucket up for sale or abandoning it to rising water.”

Au contraire! Watch this webcam and you can actually see the water rising.

https://www.livebeaches.com/webcams/the-beach-club-resort-spa-live-cam/


36 posted on 03/04/2021 8:04:04 AM PST by suthener
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To: Reno89519
Current actual measurements suggest about 1-2 mm per year. It has not been accelerating. It is likely due to outflow of fresh water sources, ie springs and aquifers, beneath sea level, not increasing surface air temperatures. In some places the relative sea level has risen due to tectonic shifts and subsidence, as with river deltas. In other places it has dropped.
37 posted on 03/04/2021 8:04:27 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative)
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To: Red Badger

Earthquakes have caused some areas to sink below water, then rise again centuries later.

One temple on the shore in Italy has markings of barnacles on it showing it has been under the sea at some time in the ancient past.
Cleopatra’s palace is underwater in Alexandria, caused by the Big Quakes in the eastern Med back in 115 AD and 365 AD.


38 posted on 03/04/2021 8:04:29 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It was all those SUV Chariots...................


39 posted on 03/04/2021 8:05:58 AM PST by Red Badger (SLEAZIN' is the REASON for the TREASON .................................)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Every scientific measurement should include an estimate of uncertainty. And these “estimates”, are not just guesses. They can be calculated.

As an example, suppose you are measuring the length of a pipe. You might get 35 inches. And that’s what most folks would right down. But in the lab you would have to include an estimate of uncertainty. So you might record 35 inches +/- 1 inch.

It’s funny, but “Climate Change” measurements never include any estimate of uncertainty. I suspect that’s because such an estimate would be so large as to make the measurement itself worthless.

Sort of like recording that pipe length as 35 inches +/- 40 inches.


40 posted on 03/04/2021 8:06:40 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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