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Construction on proposed I-80 fence project will bring on ‘traffic nightmare,’ group says
Lehigh Valley Live ^ | January 21, 2020 | Pamela Sroka-Holzmann

Posted on 03/01/2021 8:41:48 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A local citizens group has formed a Facebook page urging New Jersey transportation officials to improve a stretch of Interstate 80 they say will become unsafe once construction begins on a $50 million fence project.

I80DWG Coalition says the stretch of the highway through the Delaware Water Gap, where the four-lane highway is squeezed between a 1,526-foot-high cliff at its peak and a river, is too tight for traffic congestion during any type of construction and especially, once work commences on a fence designed to prevent rockfall on the winding highway. Tractor trailers, the group says, will become wedged between concrete barriers because the 1.5-mile S-curved portion of the highway in Hardwick and Knowlton townships is not wide enough.

The state Department of Transportation says that stretch of I-80 -- beginning at the Delaware Water Gap Bridge and snaking along the Delaware River as it cuts through Mount Tammany on the New Jersey side and Mount Minsi on the Pennsylvania side -- has the highest risk of rockfall of anywhere on New Jersey’s highways. Rockfalls and related events have closed the highway three times in the last 15 years. Between 2001 and 2017, there were 11 rockfalls that caused 14 accidents, one of which was fatal.

The DOT proposed the fence with a price tag of at least $50 million in early 2018. A DOT schedule anticipates construction to begin in 2023 and take three years to complete.

The fence/pyramid construction does nothing to straighten the S-curve, and that is the problem area, claim local residents and elected officials. Tara Mezzanotte, of Knowlton Township, who is an administrator of the coalition’s Facebook page and responsible in putting the group’s project online, called the plan Monday a “total nightmare.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Local News; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Travel
KEYWORDS: commuters; congestion; construction; delawarewatergap; i80; infrastructure; newjersey; pennsylvania; safety; traffic; transportation; trucking
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1 posted on 03/01/2021 8:41:48 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: BobL; sphinx; GreenLanternCorps; oldvirginian; Haiku Guy; napscoordinator; ConservativeInPA; ...

PING!


2 posted on 03/01/2021 8:42:51 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Lol. Nimbys.


3 posted on 03/01/2021 8:45:52 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ve often said that DJT never needed a wall, all he had to do was send a few crews of PA DoT road workers to the southern border and tell them to build a road. They’d be an immediate standstill for years.


4 posted on 03/01/2021 8:47:38 AM PST by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nothing wrong with that road that a few Billion dollars of your and my money wouldn’t fix. Either bridge it out over the river so the rocks will fall between the road and the cliff face, or tunnel through the mountain. Slap on tolls (deep state loves those) and everyone will be happy.


5 posted on 03/01/2021 8:52:18 AM PST by PAR35
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To: JonPreston

Or, in this case, NJ DOT workers.


6 posted on 03/01/2021 8:58:17 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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To: PAR35

Is it possible to bridge the highway along the river that way without the current putting undue pressure on the piers? Having it go across is one thing, but going along the river out in the water itself would present problems, correct?

I suppose you would want pilings similar to freeway overpasses, to let the current pass through, rather than solid, wide piers like you would see on a bridge crossing a river.


7 posted on 03/01/2021 9:00:40 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“too tight for traffic congestion during any type of construction”

Any type? construction of ANY kind?

so then, close the road.

Can’t fix it, can’t drive on it, can’t upgrade it, can’t do anything.

Give ‘em all what they ask for.

Wyatt’s Torch burns clean.


8 posted on 03/01/2021 9:11:42 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: PAR35

The tunnel would be an interesting idea, allowing the highway to be widened to 6 lanes like it apparently needs to be between the I-380 exit (PA) and where the six-lane stretch begins in NJ.


9 posted on 03/01/2021 9:13:19 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Our wonderful state of N.J. just spent 37 mil on a rock wall project on Rte. 46 just east of the area area a few years ago. No one I spoke to could remember a rock falling and causing injury in the their lifetime. The local joke was that someones brother or cousin was down on his luck and needed a big money contract.


10 posted on 03/01/2021 9:15:27 AM PST by certrtwngnut (4- Do something,,,,even if it's wrong.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ll leave the engineering to someone who knows what they are doing. But I don’t see where the stress on the piers couldn’t be solved with enough cash. I do understand that due to the shape of the river, it might require piers in stronger current than normal, as the strongest current would normally be bridged over.


11 posted on 03/01/2021 9:19:45 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As we speak I’m looking out over I-80 here in glorious Placer County, CA. I take comfort that the traffic backup is unlikely to extend this far


12 posted on 03/01/2021 9:23:43 AM PST by j.havenfarm (20 years on Free Republic, 12/10/20! More than 3700 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: certrtwngnut
The only rockfalls on that section occurred after they started working on it and destabilized the rock. The 80 section is going to be a nightmare on many levels. But this local group is also screaming about how the rockfall mitigation will cause massive traffic problems to solve a non-issue, but are suggesting they reconfigure the s-curves on which there are regular accidents. Like that won't also cause the same massive construction traffic issues.

The local mayors demanded to see the documentation of the so-called rockfall fatality, and received pages of 100% redacted text. Somebody's getting their pockets lined.

13 posted on 03/01/2021 10:18:09 AM PST by whatexit (What a shame that New England has become Old England)
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Another interstate built on a former railroad roadbed; IIRC, this one’s part of the former New York, Susquehanna & Western main line to Stroudsburg and Wilkes-Barre. Yes, it’s going to be narrower than a typical highway. They did quite a bit of this in New Jersey.


14 posted on 03/01/2021 10:31:44 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: j.havenfarm
As we speak I’m looking out over I-80 here in glorious Placer County, CA. I take comfort that the traffic backup is unlikely to extend this far

Nothing that 3⅔ years of democrats in unchecked power can't make happen...

15 posted on 03/01/2021 10:40:31 AM PST by null and void (The media decides what news you can see and NOT SEE. But don't you dare call 'em Not-Sees)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If it is too congested for construction maybe just drop in a miracle bullet train modeled after the successful project going on in California. You don’t need an actual working railroad, just a hold to dump money into.


16 posted on 03/01/2021 11:18:45 AM PST by Bernard (“When once the guardian angel has taken flight, everything is lost”. – William H. Seward, 1/12/1861)
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To: whatexit

“Some body’s getting their pockets lined”.
That is the politicians way. Get rich. Then get richer.


17 posted on 03/01/2021 11:57:51 AM PST by certrtwngnut (4- Do something,,,,even if it's wrong.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"A DOT schedule anticipates construction to begin in 2023 and take three years to complete."

OTOH, they could use non-union construction crews and eliminate all the bribes to politicians thereby cutting the construction time by 70%, the cost by 70%, and increase the work quality by 300%...

18 posted on 03/01/2021 12:25:18 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Joe McCarthy now that we desperately need him sober?)
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To: Seruzawa

Isn’t it amazing how many people become Civil Engineers when money is up for grabs?


19 posted on 03/01/2021 1:39:13 PM PST by gr8eman (Elder Non-Binary Sibling is Watching You!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BOOKMARK!


20 posted on 03/01/2021 7:13:02 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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