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Covid Therapies versus Covid Vaccines: Who Benefits?
American Thinker ^ | 19 Feb, 2021 | Carrie Lynn Caoili

Posted on 02/19/2021 3:57:43 AM PST by MtnClimber

Yes, they were feverishly working on a vaccine. But why were they not as frantically looking for a cure or treatment? And why were they continuous knocking down every possible treatment that was suggested?

I knew something was amiss when the pandemic hit. I have four degrees in the field of psychology including a PhD. My years of training and experience were telling me something wasn’t right. My BS detector as all the best psychologists would call it kept going off. I just kept wondering why our National health leaders kept putting the burden of handling the spread on us?

Yes, they were feverishly working on a vaccine. But why were they not as frantically looking for a cure or treatment? And why were they continuous knocking down every possible treatment that was suggested?

So, I did what any good academic would do. I started trying to figure out the answer to my questions. In my search I uncovered a trail of corruption, monetary incentives, secrecy, and lies.

In 2018 Congress questioned the NIH (Anthony Fauci leads the NIH’s infectious disease research institute) and the CDC about ethical issues with both the CDC and NIH Foundations between 2014 and 2018 with regard to their collection of money from anonymous donors.

For the CDC one of the donors turned out to be Coca Cola. They gave money for research involving whether unhealthy foods caused type 2 diabetes and obesity.

Barbara Bowman, who was the director of the Division for Heart Disease and Stroke Prevention for the CDC during this time advised a former Vice President of Coca Cola on how to stop the World Health Organization from cracking down on added sugar. Bowman quit the CDC two days after her advice to the former Coca Cola executive was revealed.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: cocacola; diabetes; ethics; lockdown; obesity; sugar; treatment; vaccine

1 posted on 02/19/2021 3:57:43 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber
With effective treatments there is no need for the lockdowns. The control freak politicians would lose their magic toy and the bureaucrats would lose their donor money from companies that could cash in on the fear.
2 posted on 02/19/2021 3:58:28 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber
the reason is that they want to force the
DNA operating systems ["mRNA vaccines"]
on people WW, before testing them
in a Phase III.

normally just obviously evil.
... BUT THIS virus was also manufactured to do this.
3 posted on 02/19/2021 4:04:20 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: MtnClimber

Another opinion piece and response masquerading as fact. But I know the group who will lap it up is on the way to this thread to further explain the flat earth theory to the rest of us.


4 posted on 02/19/2021 4:05:13 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: MtnClimber; Jane Long; cgbg

Ping


5 posted on 02/19/2021 4:33:18 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: gas_dr

Oh really?

Exactly what treatment did they pursue with the vigor with which they were pushing and developing the vaccine?

HCQ and Ivermectin are being used in different places around the world and being recommended by doctors around the world.

Why have they not been pursued but rather a so-called vaccine which has had no long term testing, does not guarantee immunity, requires multiple injections, provides uncertain length of immunity, if any, you can still spread the virus, still have to wear masks, now even double masks, still have to lockdown?

The virus has an over 99% survival rate for most age groups, has been highly politicized, is a huge cash cow for big pharma compared to safe, well known, common, low risk medications, has been pushed aggressively by the democrats, and you sneer at at and mock people are suspicious of the vaccine and the reasons for requiring it.

Are you actually fool enough to trust democrats and big pharma? Or are you not aware of medications which have proved safe and valuable which have been discovered by out of the box thinking?

How about you explain why Sweden is now having the lowest death rate? Why FL is not doing worse than NY or CA in cases and deaths? Why lockdown and masking hasn’t worked? How the Spanish flu epidemic ended with no vaccines?


6 posted on 02/19/2021 4:48:58 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Diogenesis

Bkmk Virus


7 posted on 02/19/2021 5:18:52 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: metmom

The answer to your last questions is herd immunity. That is what ends all pandemics. Period. Have I ever once advocated lock downs to the best of your knowledge? Do I advocate masking to the best of your knowledge?

It’s a well played argument you make that it’s over 99% survivable. That is the big print. The small print taketh away and is your next words. In most age groups. So you think elderly and not healthy people are not important. How delightfully scary of you.

Herd immunity is accelerated through vaccination. Your HCQ theory is over. Yesterday’s news. It is not a treatment at all as it does not work. Ivermectin. Probably a little better but still with about even odds on if it helps or not

If you were at all following the treatment path where it’s at is bamlaniviamb and regeneron. Yet you will rail against big pharma as making money with and actually treatment that is targeted and effective. But keep using the snake oil. Keep vilifying those who actually have an understanding and grounding in the issue. And no I don’t like Fauci. I think he is as clueless as the arm chair quarterbacks on this forum. So please don’t deflect with some sort of obtuse deep state and Fauci loving horse crap

The bottom line is this. You are advocating for something that is shown to not work perfectly. It is shown to be a craps shoot. And If you trust your life to those odds have at it. But stop preaching the false gospel trying to force others into your incorrect viewpoint.


8 posted on 02/19/2021 5:20:36 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: metmom

You’re focused on the death rate, but you should be equally concerned about long-term injury from the virus. I know several young people (late 20s-early 30s), perfectly healthy prior to getting sick, whom are having some very scary problems, months after recovering from COVID-19.


9 posted on 02/19/2021 5:25:27 AM PST by dinodino ( )
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To: gas_dr

What’s wrong with quarantining sick people and being cautious with the higher risk groups?

Why shut down EVERYONE’S life? Did we do that for Swine Flu when obama was president? And that one was worse.

The biggest danger to the elderly is folks like cuomo.

Instead we shut down the whole country and trample on everyone’s Constitutional rights over one of the not worst viruses to make the rounds.

How tyrannical of you.

Your opinion on HCQ and Ivermectin ks different from many other medical doctors.

Likewise you are advocating for something that is shown to not work perfectly.

What makes you right and them wrong?


10 posted on 02/19/2021 8:26:07 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: dinodino

And the side effects from the vaccine don’t happen?

Nobody is having problems with them?

It’s really a matter of picking your poison, but what I object to is being hounded to take something that has not been thoroughly vetted and is of unknown effectiveness, and nobody knows how long any potential immunity might last.

I also object to not being given the option of trying HCQ and Ivermectin if I so choose, instead of the vaccine.

WHY is the vaccine, which is not without it’s problems, being pushed so hard by those we trust the least?

THAT is what makes me question the whole thing.

Dems are using it to control people. Big pharma is making far more money off it than cheap, old, safe drugs.

There’s plenty of reason to suspect the integrity of those pushing it when they stand to profit so much by it.

Do you think they really CARE about our best interests? Does that explain why they demanded and were given immunity from liability for any harm the vaccine does?


11 posted on 02/19/2021 8:33:56 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: MtnClimber

This is what the CDC stated about hydroxychloroquine before CV19 was used as a hoax to destroy Trump’s term.

Who can take hydroxychloroquine?
Hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed to adults and children of all ages. It can also be safely taken by pregnant women and nursing mothers.

Excuse me, but if children, pregnant women and nursing mothers can take it, then it’s pretty damn safe.

However, once determined it could save lives and therefore help Trump, it quickly became as dangerous as cyanide.


12 posted on 02/19/2021 8:41:56 AM PST by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: MtnClimber

Covid will soon be over?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases


13 posted on 02/19/2021 8:43:48 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: metmom

I had Moderna, and it was fine. It’s quite common for vaccines to have side effects. I have never had a vaccine cause six months of loss of short-term memory, chronic fatigue, shortness of breath, and other symptoms which I *have* seen in COVID-19 survivors.


14 posted on 02/19/2021 8:48:54 AM PST by dinodino ( )
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To: metmom

Here’s a perfect example of why the vaccine is better than getting sick and recovering:

https://scitechdaily.com/heart-damage-found-in-more-than-half-of-covid-19-patients-discharged-from-hospital/

You want heart and brain damage? Fine, then skip the vaccine and take your chances with hydroxychloroquine.


15 posted on 02/19/2021 8:50:30 AM PST by dinodino ( )
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To: gas_dr

How lessened would this crisis have been if they would have told everyone to make sure you are getting enough vitamin D and C all along?


16 posted on 02/19/2021 8:57:03 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Beware the media industrial complex )
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To: metmom

I have never once advocated shut down and I challenge you to find anywhere that you think I have

HCQ and ivermectin have become an irrational talking point of those with government mistrust. The fact is HCQ is shown to be absolutely ineffective as a treatment. It does not work to stop the disease no matter how many times armchair clinicians want to believe there is a grand conspiracy thst it is an absolute treatment.

Ivermectin is partially effective. But not the panacea that armchair clinicians want it to be. It’s an imperfect option in the setting of nothing else.

The truth of the matter is there is treatment. It is quite effective. It’s monoclonal antibody therapy that is targeted directly at Covid.

And no matter how much a subset of people attempt to vilify the vaccines as DNA altering genetic control (which is preposterous!) the vaccines are shown to be efficacious as preventing death and severe disease and now data are showing prevents disease and spread.

It is breathtaking how rational people abandon all logical thought to engage in profound group think and attempt to limit choices because of an irrational fear of conspiracy that makes no sense

And yes, I have prescribed every treatment. I no longer use because it doesn’t do a damn thing and is the wrong thing to keep trying to hope it will

These are the medical facts
They are not in dispute


17 posted on 02/19/2021 8:59:23 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

“Another opinion piece and response masquerading as fact. But I know the group who will lap it up is on the way to this thread to further explain the flat earth theory to the rest of us.”

What part of the article is false? Just curious.


18 posted on 02/19/2021 9:08:34 AM PST by Rlsau1
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

How lessened would this crisis have been if they had not run too many cycles on the PCR test?


19 posted on 02/20/2021 9:05:06 AM PST by Whyfor
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