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Strategic considerations for winning
Vanity | 01/07/2021 | Wpin

Posted on 01/07/2021 7:39:49 PM PST by Wpin

Given recent events showing the people that our own congress has failed to serve the people and illegally ratified electors who in seven states were illegally certified. This has placed the nation under great danger and created a situation that is not tenable. The left and globalists are intent on ruling with an iron fist that appears will equal that of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Mao China, etc. Some have suggested a violent overthrow. However, there are several problems with that. First and foremost the cost in human life will be great. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will perish. Retribution will be very harsh and yes the military and police will most likely side with the government. They are organized, trained, and heavily supplied in arms, ammunition, transportation, etc. It will be a very long drawn out war and much suffering. Submission will be regarded by many, if not most as the only viable alternative for them. This will result in a heavily restricted life where core beliefs will not be allowed (unless the are along the lines of approved speech) to be spoken freely in public or even small groups of family members as children and younger people will soon be taught to report ‘irresponsible’ people to proper authorities. Loyalty will be to the state first. That happens in all secular, authoritarian nations and will happen here rapidly. These traitors did not go to the lengths in election rigging, media propaganda levels never seen before, harassing of the President everyday 24 hours per day since before he was elected and then those who worked with him and now his followers to change the nation into a European socialist nation. They are intending on a rigid, secular, all intruding government that has no respect for our Natural, God given rights or the Constitution in general. They are all about power and their iron hand on the controls will mean that essential services like health and career opportunities will be used as hammers to force us to bow to them and submit, indeed to play along betraying those who desire to be Christian and/or free. We have a window of opportunity before they get fully organized to have a dramatic effect that has worked to overthrow tyrannical governments in the past. Think of the Soviet Union in particular Poland. Think also India in it’s struggle for Independence from Britain. Think Martin Luther King strategy for Civil Rights in the 60’s. All used the same biblical based strategy of peaceful civil disobedience. If we can organize and get enough patriots together we can shut down sectors of the economy either nationally, regionally or locally. Think about how we do that…do we stop trucking in food into Chicago? Or Milwaukee? Can we prevent traffic flow on Interstates for days at a time? Can we shut down commerce in downtown areas like Atlanta, Philadelphia, Madison? Can we get enough people together to have a strike for a week nationwide? Shut 10 percent of all businesses down for a week would be devastating. I prefer the peaceful civil disobedience as it follows Jesus’ strategy so I feel closer to God with doing this. The idea of killing people doesn’t do much for me, I really rather not. We can choose to risk our lives without risking our souls. We can ask for God’s help while fighting in a manner that He approves. And, while we can expect to be brutalized, the brutality will be reduced because of our peacefulness and public opinion concerns for the tyrants. What do you guys think?


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To: Ancesthntr

““ Some have suggested a violent overthrow. However, there are several problems with that. First and foremost the cost in human life will be great. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will perish.”
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Perish on your feet fighting, or on your knees in a gulag or on the edge of a pit in some forest. I‘ll choose Door #1. Enough of my family died without fighting back in the 1940s - that shit is NOT happening to me. These phuckers want to impose a Communist dictatorship, they will not do so for free.”

I understand your feelings, believe me I do. However, what if we can actually win without killing, we starve the beast? It is dangerous, some of us would be killed, many imprisoned, many more beaten. But, if we can get enough people with us and endure through the atrocities we will win when it becomes clear they are losing the people and ability to operate as a government. You can always use force later if it fails. But, you will most likely have to attack things like electrical station transformers around cities, supply rail lines, etc. and hurt many innocent people in the process. That just isn’t palatable to me.


21 posted on 01/07/2021 8:44:05 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

You must be a veteran of the French Resistance


22 posted on 01/07/2021 8:47:40 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ) )
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To: Wpin

“ I understand your feelings, believe me I do. However, what if we can actually win without killing, we starve the beast? It is dangerous, some of us would be killed, many imprisoned, many more beaten. But, if we can get enough people with us and endure through the atrocities we will win when it becomes clear they are losing the people and ability to operate as a government. You can always use force later if it fails. But, you will most likely have to attack things like electrical station transformers around cities, supply rail lines, etc. and hurt many innocent people in the process. That just isn’t palatable to me.”
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These people are not playing games - they are utterly ruthless. Right now, they are on the cusp of total power, something they have lusted and worked for over the course of many decades. They have murdered for it, they have engaged in an open coup against a sitting President, and now they have effectively destroyed the Republic by killing all faith in fair elections. Do you seriously think that people who have done these things will just give up power without killing millions? I don’t want any of what’s coming, either, but my wants have little to do with what’s going to occur on the macro level. The same, I would respectfully suggest, apply to your wants.


23 posted on 01/07/2021 8:51:30 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, “The Weapon Shops of Isher”)
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To: Wpin

The Pope played a major role in Poland. In India, there was large scale violence between Hindus and Muslims.


24 posted on 01/07/2021 8:56:45 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: V V Camp Enari 67-68
Given recent events showing the people that our own congress has failed to serve the people and illegally ratified. This has placed the nation under great danger and created a situation that is not tenable. The left and globalists are intent on ruling with an iron fist that appears will equal

Some have suggested a violent overthrow. However, there are several problems with that. First and foremost the cost in human life will be great. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will perish. Retribution will be very harsh and yes the military and police will most likely side with the government. They are organized, trained, and heavily supplied in arms, ammunition, transportation, etc. It will be a very long drawn out war and much suffering.

Submission will be regarded by many, if not most as the only viable alternative for them. This will result in a heavily restricted life where core beliefs will not be allowed (unless the are along the lines of approved speech) to be spoken freely in public or even small groups of family members as children and younger people will soon be taught to report ‘irresponsible’ people to proper authorities. Loyalty will be to the state first. That happens in all secular, authoritarian nations and will happen here rapidly.

These traitors did not go to the lengths in election rigging, media propaganda levels never seen before, harassing of the President everyday 24 hours per day since before he was elected and then those who worked with him and now his followers to change the nation into a European socialist nation.

They are intending on a rigid, secular, all intruding government that has no respect for our Natural, God given rights or the Constitution in general. They are all about power and their iron hand on the controls will mean that essential services like health and career opportunities will be used as hammers to force us to bow to them and submit, indeed to play along betraying those who desire to be Christian and/or free.

We have a window of opportunity before they get fully organized to have a dramatic effect that has worked to overthrow tyrannical governments in the past. Think of the Soviet Union in particular Poland. Think also India in it’s struggle for Independence from Britain. Think Martin Luther King strategy for Civil Rights in the 60’s.

All used the same biblical based strategy of peaceful civil disobedience. If we can organize and get enough patriots together we can shut down sectors of the economy either nationally, regionally or locally.

Think about how we do that…do we stop trucking in food into Chicago? Or Milwaukee? Can we prevent traffic flow on Interstates for days at a time? Can we shut down commerce in downtown areas like Atlanta, Philadelphia, Madison? Can we get enough people together to have a strike for a week nationwide? Shut 10 percent of all businesses down for a week would be devastating.

I prefer the peaceful civil disobedience as it follows Jesus’ strategy so I feel closer to God with doing this. The idea of killing people doesn’t do much for me, I really rather not. We can choose to risk our lives without risking our souls.

We can ask for God’s help while fighting in a manner that He approves. And, while we can expect to be brutalized, the brutality will be reduced because of our peacefulness and public opinion concerns for the tyrants.

What do you guys think?

25 posted on 01/07/2021 9:36:47 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Wpin

Free fix on me.

Tip for the future: HTML doesn’t work in the body of the opening post. Type your essay with extra spaces between paragraphs in a word processing document, then copy/paste.

And then PREVIEW.


26 posted on 01/07/2021 9:39:11 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

Thanks pal!


27 posted on 01/07/2021 9:51:20 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

“The Pope played a major role in Poland. In India, there was large scale violence between Hindus and Muslims”

Yes, he and especially God.


28 posted on 01/07/2021 9:53:38 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin
The left and globalists are intent on ruling with an iron fist that appears will equal that of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Mao China, etc.

Leftists have read, studied, and worked at doing this for decades. Many of those they look up to could not accomplish it in their lifetime. So, they trained those who would follow after them and taught them how to achieve it eventually.

Learn your enemy. What are their weaknesses? Their strengths? What are yours? What are your goals? Your priorities? Who is dependable (not our Republicrats)? Where's the funding coming from? What tools do you need? Etc.

Our enemy is very formidable. They have the training, support, funding, and decades of experience.

We, on the other hand, have much to learn. Most of us are too busy trying to make a living to attend strategy sessions, hammer out plans, find funding, and so forth.

I'm not trying to discourage you; I'm just pointing out some of the issues. There are many challenges. One of the biggest is to define a clear set of goals. IMO, saving the unborn from the abortionist knife should be a top priority. For others, it will be control of Congress, and so forth.

Many people on FR know better than I what we face—just pointing out a few things to consider. Also, in trying to do this in the open, everyone will know the plans and will be better able to place stumbling blocks in the way.

The hate and anger the other side has for those of us on the right are growing. As you see from the comments and suggestions reported by their MSM, it clouds their judgment and sensibilities.

A whirlwind is brewing, and it's coming for us! That should serve as motivation to action.

29 posted on 01/07/2021 9:55:24 PM PST by amorphous
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To: lightman
I prefer the peaceful civil disobedience as it follows Jesus' strategy so I feel closer to God with doing this. The idea of killing people doesn't do much for me, I really rather not. We can choose to risk our lives without risking our souls.

We can ask for God's help while fighting in a manner that He approves. And, while we can expect to be brutalized, the brutality will be reduced because of our peacefulness and public opinion concerns for the tyrants.

A good start and a good way to judge who's onboard before doing something that will get you imprisoned for life or eternity. However, passiveness didn't stop the brutal murder of millions at the hands of despots. And I doubt I could resist taking a life if doing so saved a life, especially if the life I'm trying to save is one of my family members.

What we can do is stay home for a few weeks, starting now. Leave the Repudiating Party. Work to become self-sufficient. Get your finances in order. Study up on scripture. Make friends. Help a neighbor. Etc. Take time to think about the big picture. Plan and follow through. Get back in shape.

These are all things we can do now to prepare ourselves for what may be just over the hill. Get creative...wise as serpents harmless as doves.

30 posted on 01/07/2021 10:23:54 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Wpin

Winning against what? Whom? This is a red dawn red terror scenario. Non one wins in this generation, maybe the next if we take a stand.

I was not for it before, but I think there will be a major boycott of current gop crop.

I do not know how else to purge the gop... a 100% democrat congress might have to be done for a couple of years until we get true conservatives going again, if ever possible.

Right now scortched earth is the only way. Shutting rail, truckers etc. Boycott of elections etc.

It will be attrition under a ruthless bolshevick dictatorship. Democrats too will have their backs smashed by antifa.

Red terror ahead.


31 posted on 01/08/2021 1:21:54 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hates:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Ancesthntr
make the press fear you.

I'm surprised that there haven't been some "disappearances" of a few of the more prominent America-haters among the media crowd.

32 posted on 01/08/2021 4:21:04 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Salvey

I am also...but that may come at some point in the future. Certainly if trends continue in this country (and it looks like they will, based on what the Dems are saying that they want to do after January 20), then the history of what has already occurred in other countries would make that kind of thing likely. Also, IMHO, once the ice is broken with the first such incident, many more will follow. The media think that they are untouchable...but they are as vulnerable as anyone else in society.

What JFK said is true - those who make peaceful change impossible make violence inevitable. Many people in this society have decided to push and push and push and push all of us Normals; sooner or later, that is going to produce a reaction. Frankly, the election of Trump was one such reaction. But now that they have foreclosed on the possibility that he will be able (at least over the next 4 years) to continue to represent and act for us, they are continuing to push harder and harder...and that will obviously not result in a peaceful resolution. The very obviousness of that indicates to me that this is intentional - they WANT a fight. That, I believe, is not only the height of immorality, but it is incredibly stupid on their part, on many levels.


33 posted on 01/08/2021 10:50:10 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, “The Weapon Shops of Isher”)
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To: Repeal The 17th

What can I do? In the face of the coming storm, what constructive actions can we take to conserve what works and protect ourselves? Here are a few actionable solutions anyone can adopt at a personal or local level.

Find your tribe. Network, meet in person. Social media can’t censor what you say in private. This also helps you emotionally, since you’re meeting with people who support you instead of mistaking the digital lynch mobs for what matters.

Preserve conservative institutions like churches, schools and clubs. Fight social justice infiltration or pressure to submit to liberal political demands like, “you really need a BLM lecturer in here, you’ll be good if you throw up our political symbols”.
Educate. Teach your kids your values at an early age, by reading stories that share your values. Don’t let the kids go to drag queen story time or social justice story time. Protest if the school or daycare does this, or if you’re not able to do that, take your kid out and discuss the protest with other parents. Abilene Paradox – people wrongly think that the official dictate is what everyone agrees with because no one says anything against it.

Buy books that explain the conservative worldview and defend it like those by Dennis Prager. Buy books that explain why liberals and conservatives are different without demonizing them like Jonathan Haidt’s works. And start book clubs reading these books. Hello, tribe!

Fight any attempt to add social justice to codes of conduct. For example, the National Association of Realtors just implemented a policy where you can be fined or expelled for “hate speech”, public or private. Other organizations have weaker versions of this, but expect it to ramp up.

Law, medicine and social work already have rules regarding this, equating trust and respect and empathy to liberal values - so you can’t get licensed if you don’t agree. Fight this, if you don’t want to be kicked out of professional organizations if you don’t pass the liberal political litmus test.

Hire conservatives, because businesses are firing them. Assist those who have been fired for their beliefs.

2ndvote.com allows you to find conservative and neutral businesses that share your values.
You can even sort by category (restaurants, groceries, hardware, retail) or values (pro-life, 2nd amendment).

Do you like the local or national conservative talk show hosts? Buy the stuff they’re hawking, and especially use the reference or discount codes they provide. This will tell sponsors that this sponsorship is financially important to them. And that helps keep these shows on the air.

Clean your room. Sort yourself out. You can’t fix the world, but you can improve your own life and situation. Read Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University books. Get out of debt. Save up an emergency fund. If Biden’s cronies crash the economy, you’re in a much better situation. And you’re in a Christian group that can be the start of your tribe, or you can arrange classes at your church or with your networking groups to bring everyone closer together.

Encourage Sanctuary Cities/Sanctuary States on any issue you support. Second Amendment sanctuaries already exist. Pro-life Sanctuaries are far fewer but could spread. Support the groups that got these policies passed, and encourage such movements in your area. You may not be able to change federal tax and immigration policy, but you can try to preserve free speech if someone can implement a First Amendment Sanctuary law at a state level.

Use the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) college rankings on free speech to determine the least liberal schools in your area to send your kids to.


34 posted on 01/09/2021 9:12:50 AM PST by tbw2
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