Posted on 01/07/2021 7:39:49 PM PST by Wpin
Given recent events showing the people that our own congress has failed to serve the people and illegally ratified electors who in seven states were illegally certified. This has placed the nation under great danger and created a situation that is not tenable. The left and globalists are intent on ruling with an iron fist that appears will equal that of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Mao China, etc. Some have suggested a violent overthrow. However, there are several problems with that. First and foremost the cost in human life will be great. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will perish. Retribution will be very harsh and yes the military and police will most likely side with the government. They are organized, trained, and heavily supplied in arms, ammunition, transportation, etc. It will be a very long drawn out war and much suffering. Submission will be regarded by many, if not most as the only viable alternative for them. This will result in a heavily restricted life where core beliefs will not be allowed (unless the are along the lines of approved speech) to be spoken freely in public or even small groups of family members as children and younger people will soon be taught to report ‘irresponsible’ people to proper authorities. Loyalty will be to the state first. That happens in all secular, authoritarian nations and will happen here rapidly. These traitors did not go to the lengths in election rigging, media propaganda levels never seen before, harassing of the President everyday 24 hours per day since before he was elected and then those who worked with him and now his followers to change the nation into a European socialist nation. They are intending on a rigid, secular, all intruding government that has no respect for our Natural, God given rights or the Constitution in general. They are all about power and their iron hand on the controls will mean that essential services like health and career opportunities will be used as hammers to force us to bow to them and submit, indeed to play along betraying those who desire to be Christian and/or free. We have a window of opportunity before they get fully organized to have a dramatic effect that has worked to overthrow tyrannical governments in the past. Think of the Soviet Union in particular Poland. Think also India in it’s struggle for Independence from Britain. Think Martin Luther King strategy for Civil Rights in the 60’s. All used the same biblical based strategy of peaceful civil disobedience. If we can organize and get enough patriots together we can shut down sectors of the economy either nationally, regionally or locally. Think about how we do that…do we stop trucking in food into Chicago? Or Milwaukee? Can we prevent traffic flow on Interstates for days at a time? Can we shut down commerce in downtown areas like Atlanta, Philadelphia, Madison? Can we get enough people together to have a strike for a week nationwide? Shut 10 percent of all businesses down for a week would be devastating. I prefer the peaceful civil disobedience as it follows Jesus’ strategy so I feel closer to God with doing this. The idea of killing people doesn’t do much for me, I really rather not. We can choose to risk our lives without risking our souls. We can ask for God’s help while fighting in a manner that He approves. And, while we can expect to be brutalized, the brutality will be reduced because of our peacefulness and public opinion concerns for the tyrants. What do you guys think?
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Very true and today it is a techno-totalitarianism.
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Winning what?
“Winning what?”
restoring America of course. What would you think?
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Civil disobedience can be a viable strategy but we aren’t going to have a sympathetic press fawning over us, we’ll be vilified at every turn and they’ll turn a blind eye to the government treating us ruthlessly. Still, it’s something to try that might avoid a civil war and at least more likely to succeed than just “wait until the next election and we’ll win even though they’re going to cheat again”.
Don’t count on a majority of the military siding with tyranny.
DC Cops will. Federal agents might. But not the military. There are 50 states. So if push comes to shove, 50 states will become 50 independent nations. Just like the former Soviet Union.
I agree with your sentiments here, however it depends on the goal. If we just wish to survive, then peaceful civil disobedience will suffice. However, if we wish to restore a true Republic from the Government Class dictatorship that has now centralized its authority and rule, then our next leader will need to be at the head of an army, not a candidate for political office.
However, I don’t necessarily agree that Christ views peaceful obedience more “Godly” than armed resistance. I don’t believe the Founders were outside God’s will by fighting a “hot” revolution. And while Jesus did say “give unto Caesar...” he also said he was coming “with a sword...”. Our objectives and our means should govern our strategy.
Bartering, under table transactions will increase and other subversive acts. Doing biz only with like minded where possible. Changing purchasing habits. I feel sorry for young kids...altho this may create more conservatives
Bartering, working together with like minded Americans, personal acts of defiance against the Federal beast, YES! We can do a lot more than we realize.
“I agree with your sentiments here, however it depends on the goal. If we just wish to survive, then peaceful civil disobedience will suffice. However, if we wish to restore a true Republic from the Government Class dictatorship that has now centralized its authority and rule, then our next leader will need to be at the head of an army, not a candidate for political office.”
Very thoughtful response, thank you. I disagree with your assertion that to restore America we must have an army and use violence. We have several cases in history that prove that non violent civil disobedience can overthrow even the most authoritarian government, such as happened in Poland and Czechoslovakia, etc in the old Soviet Union. It took a few years but really not any longer than a war would have probably taken and many lives were saved and much brutality spared.
“However, I don’t necessarily agree that Christ views peaceful obedience more “Godly” than armed resistance. I don’t believe the Founders were outside God’s will by fighting a “hot” revolution. And while Jesus did say “give unto Caesar...” he also said he was coming “with a sword...”. Our objectives and our means should govern our strategy.”
I don’t necessarily disagree outright with your assertion here however, it is how the war is fought. Lincoln said it best “with malice towards none”. But, in all wars we have excesses such as brutality beyond necessity, killing innocents intentionally. The key is if it brings on hatred, we can reasonably assume we are being tempted by Satan. That is far too easy in a hot war. However, having said that I do agree wholeheartedly with the “just war” concept. But, people are led away from our Lord during war by actions of hatred. A peaceful civil disobedience can wrap our hearts in God’s grace easily...and attract others to join us.
“Bartering, under table transactions will increase and other subversive acts. Doing biz only with like minded where possible. Changing purchasing habits. I feel sorry for young kids...altho this may create more conservatives”
It was estimated that the black market economy was near as large as the “official” economy in the former Soviet Union. You are absolutely correct that under the table and black markets are great peaceful resistance ideas that also allows people the opportunities of free markets...albeit higher risk than normal hence higher prices than truly free market economies. But still, cheaper than the intentionally rationed products and services allowed in an authoritarian economy.
The main difficulty is that our ruling oligarchy will not relinquish control due to popular will. They’ve made that abundantly clear. They’ve also made abundantly clear that they are willing to use mercenaries - paid employees or Antifa/BLM irregulars to commit acts of extreme violence against us.
That action, continuing and increasing in order to exert greater control, will lead to a response in kind, regardless of any intentions we might have. We may not start with a hot war, we don’t have the means to prosecute one now anyway against the overwhelming power of the government, but at some point that may change as atrocities increase.
“ Some have suggested a violent overthrow. However, there are several problems with that. First and foremost the cost in human life will be great. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will perish.”
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Perish on your feet fighting, or on your knees in a gulag or on the edge of a pit in some forest. I‘ll choose Door #1. Enough of my family died without fighting back in the 1940s - that shit is NOT happening to me. These phuckers want to impose a Communist dictatorship, they will not do so for free.
“ Civil disobedience can be a viable strategy but we aren’t going to have a sympathetic press fawning over us, we’ll be vilified at every turn and they’ll turn a blind eye to the government treating us ruthlessly.”
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Then make the press fear you. How is your decision.
“The main difficulty is that our ruling oligarchy will not relinquish control due to popular will. They’ve made that abundantly clear. They’ve also made abundantly clear that they are willing to use mercenaries - paid employees or Antifa/BLM irregulars to commit acts of extreme violence against us.
That action, continuing and increasing in order to exert greater control, will lead to a response in kind, regardless of any intentions we might have. We may not start with a hot war, we don’t have the means to prosecute one now anyway against the overwhelming power of the government, but at some point that may change as atrocities increase.
That is something to consider of course, it is solid thinking. However, we can research perhaps and find how Lech Walensa and Ghandi handled that. They all had similar problems I am certain. It is the will of the people willing to hurt the ability for the government to function by not acting within the economy that brought those governments down. That and God’s will.
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