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How to get people from Earth to Mars and safely back again
phys.org ^ | December 21, 2020 | Chris James

Posted on 12/21/2020 9:34:04 PM PST by BenLurkin

The biggest challenge (or constraint) is the mass of the payload (spacecraft, people, fuel, supplies etc) needed to make the journey.

The payload mass is usually just a small percentage of the total mass of the launch vehicle.

For example, the Saturn V rocket that launched Apollo 11 to the Moon weighed 3,000 tons.

But it could launch only 140 tons (5% of its initial launch mass) to low Earth orbit, and 50 tons (less than 2% of its initial launch mass) to the Moon.

Mass constrains the size of a Mars spacecraft and what it can do in space. Every maneuver costs fuel to fire rocket motors, and this fuel must currently be carried into space on the spacecraft.

SpaceX's plan is for its crewed Starship vehicle to be refueled in space by a separately launched fuel tanker. That means much more fuel can be carried into orbit than could be carried on a single launch.

This saves a lot of fuel, but can result in missions that take years to reach their destinations. Clearly this is something humans would not want to do.

Both Earth and Mars have (almost) circular orbits and a maneuver known as the Hohmann transfer is the most fuel-efficient way to travel between two planets. Basically, without going into too much detail, this is where a spacecraft does a single burn into an elliptical transfer orbit from one planet to the other.

A Hohmann transfer between Earth and Mars takes around 259 days (between eight and nine months) and is only possible approximately every two years due to the different orbits around the Sun of Earth and Mars.

A spacecraft could reach Mars in a shorter time (SpaceX is claiming six months) but—you guessed it—it would cost more fuel to do it that way.

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1 posted on 12/21/2020 9:34:04 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

In other words, don’t pack your suitcases just yet.


2 posted on 12/21/2020 9:37:19 PM PST by lee martell
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To: BenLurkin

Send cargo craft ahead and park in orbit, even land so they know everything they need is there and intact on the surface before they leave Earth. Maybe try out some solar-sail tech or solar-wind tech for the cargo craft. Also send some to the satellites as well. Make it a serious operation and not some shoestring deal. You’re a long ways from a gas station or a Walmart when you get to Mars.


3 posted on 12/21/2020 9:49:06 PM PST by curious7
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To: lee martell

There is no reason to go to Mars other than to see what is there. No soil, -89 degree temperature, and no water. This is a fools errand—but hey Elon Musketeer, would love to see you throw away all your money and come back to earth.


4 posted on 12/21/2020 9:49:54 PM PST by Fungi (X)
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To: BenLurkin

I suppose once you iron out wormhole travel and warp drive, it’ll be a hop, skip, and a jump.


5 posted on 12/21/2020 9:52:41 PM PST by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: BenLurkin

If the various space agencies and private companies don’t sort out how to either shield humans from the massive amounts of radiation they’d be absorbing on this trip, or changing human biology to stay healthy in a high radiation environment, it’s all moot.

I’ll never understand why the same people who fervently believe science can turn Mars into a habitable oasis for colonization, something which has never been accomplished and we have no experience achieving, but it’s impossible for humanity to handle climate change and improve our environment on earth, which even primitive cultures have managed to do for thousands of years and we’re getting better at every day.


6 posted on 12/21/2020 9:55:09 PM PST by jz638
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To: BenLurkin

The Transporter, Jim!


7 posted on 12/21/2020 9:58:33 PM PST by GreatRoad ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act' )
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To: Fungi

Mars ain’t no kind of place to raise your kids.


8 posted on 12/21/2020 9:58:36 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: curious7

Wasn’t there a plan to send a fuel production plant to Mars before manned travel there?


9 posted on 12/21/2020 9:58:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Fungi

We may need to terraform Mars so we have a place to escape the coming internal and external communist takeover.


10 posted on 12/21/2020 10:02:52 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: BenLurkin

Elton John wrote about going there....old news.


11 posted on 12/21/2020 10:03:58 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: BenLurkin

12 posted on 12/21/2020 10:04:08 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BenLurkin

What if we don’t want them safely back again?


13 posted on 12/21/2020 10:04:59 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: BenLurkin

Well, this web page discusses 4 ways to get from Pittsburgh to Mars, in a relatively safe manner, via bus, taxi, or car.

(And, with that, I bid all good, decent people here good night.)

14 posted on 12/21/2020 10:05:17 PM PST by Songcraft
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To: Fungi

I don’t think that he plans to return.


15 posted on 12/21/2020 10:05:43 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: lee martell

I’d live in a tiny building or ship and float around all day if it got me away from our government. I’d take the one way trip and maybe we could start a fresh society without communists.


16 posted on 12/21/2020 10:10:22 PM PST by BillyCuccio (MAGA)
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To: rxsid

Yup first thing I thought of was getting away from the communists. Give us some lazer blasters and let’s go !!


17 posted on 12/21/2020 10:11:11 PM PST by BillyCuccio (MAGA)
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To: BenLurkin

And how will our soon-to-be revolutionary socialist nation pay for that?


18 posted on 12/21/2020 10:12:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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What am I forgetting? Sometimes I wish I had Total Recall


19 posted on 12/21/2020 10:16:41 PM PST by algore
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To: BenLurkin
Youse guys don't get it. We HAVE to go to Mars. Because:


20 posted on 12/21/2020 10:17:23 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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