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THE NATIONAL CRISIS: IMPORTANT FROM THE FEDERAL CAPITAL; THE SECESSION MOVEMENT; Editorial: The President on the Crisis (12/5/1860)
New York Times archives - Times Machine ^ | 12/5/1860

Posted on 12/05/2020 7:31:45 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Tuesday, Dec. 4.

Senator GWIN, of California, took his seat in the Senate to-day. He seemed much depressed and crestfallen. When his party sent to the President for aid, stating that there was danger that DOUGLAS would carry the State, the President told GWIN that they were safe, and would carry the election handsomely; and, accordingly, he did not send the funds. Being badly beaten, GWIN is severely censured by his friends, and laughed at by his opponents. The opposition men from California are in high glee.

Throughout that portion of the Message relating to Slavery in the Territories, is seen the crafty hand of JEFF. DAVIS, of Mississippi. He is known to have been in communication with the President lately. Leading men say they know he is the originator of the President's proposition for a Slave code. This divided his party in the late canvass, and he knows a majority of the party are against his policy. He refuses to meet DOUGLAS' proposition to bury animosities and meet on common compromise ground. DOUGLAS and his friends, of course, repudiate the President's proposition, and cannot accede to it.

DAVIS and CLINGMAN seem bent on driving off conservative men and preventing a compromise.

The riot in Boston has had its effect here. Although denounced as unlawful and disgraceful in the extreme, the Union men of the South use it freely as illustrative of the Anti-Abolition sentiment of the North. Every one, nearly, denounces the means employed by the rioters, but applaud the motive which prompted the act.

RIGGS & CO., and other leading financial men, think the President's Message will act favorably upon stocks and finance. A rise in Government securities is expected to-morrow.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 12/05/2020 7:31:45 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 12/05/2020 7:32:35 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
The National Crisis: Important from the Federal Capital – 2-3
The Secession Movement – 3
Editorial: The President and the Crisis – 3-4
Editorial: Condition of the Treasury – 4
3 posted on 12/05/2020 7:33:27 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Time for the second secessionist movement. We cannot live with or under DemoNazis.


4 posted on 12/05/2020 7:45:16 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If the meanings in the Constitution can change, why did they bother writing it down?)
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Yes ....secession is only way...let them have their liberal left socialist utopia...we will go our separate ways...


5 posted on 12/05/2020 8:02:43 AM PST by TnTnTn
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Someone told me yesterday that if the election theft is not resolved, we may have two Presidents. One for the thieves and one for the secession movement.


6 posted on 12/05/2020 8:11:22 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
from the article: "When his party sent to the President for aid, stating that there was danger that DOUGLAS would carry the State, the President told GWIN that they were safe, and would carry the election handsomely; and, accordingly, he did not send the funds."

This sentence makes no sense until (finally) I realized "the President" refers to Buchanan, not Lincoln.

California Senator Gwin was a Southern Democrat secessionists.

Duh!

7 posted on 12/06/2020 4:57:23 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: Blood of Tyrants; TnTnTn; sanjuanbob; Homer_J_Simpson
BOT: "Time for the second secessionist movement. We cannot live with or under DemoNazis."

You Southern Democrats were successful in splitting apart the United States in 1861, but you lost the resulting Civil War because you couldn't get your Northern Democrat allies to openly or strongly support you.

Now in 2020 you hope you can, finally, try yet again.
But the fact is that the party of the Union -- the Republican Party -- is now the majority party, and will remain so, so long as elections are honest.
What's really needed is to clean up elections and put some Democrats in jail for fraud & stealing votes.

So you old-time Southern Democrats can go do what you want.
The United States will be just fine without y'all.

8 posted on 12/06/2020 5:09:00 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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