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To: Hojczyk

I will risk being called an utter fool but I speculate — if you really want to argue your case before the Supreme Court, isn’t it somewhat useful to lose in the lower courts, so that you can appeal your way up?


2 posted on 11/19/2020 5:43:03 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No you are right on!


3 posted on 11/19/2020 5:43:59 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues th the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, it is useful... but in any case someone should let them know the error in the Counties listed in the suit, in case they don’t want to lose it that way.

Shoot a message to Rudy— “hey, you know the counties are wrong— not a one in Michigan?”.


6 posted on 11/19/2020 5:45:46 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This type of loss isn’t what gets it kicked up the chain.

They can fix this..but it makes them look like dumb


7 posted on 11/19/2020 5:47:06 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: ClearCase_guy

oh please! No it is not a strategy to screw up so that you lose.


14 posted on 11/19/2020 5:52:13 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ClearCase_guy

How about winning, not losing, in lower court. You’ve won. Losing side can appeal if it wants to but you are going into the appeal as a winner, not a loser. Appeal Courts rarely hear evidence, their job is to evaluate whether lower court erred in some fashion. To say you want to lose is just plain dumb.


15 posted on 11/19/2020 5:52:14 PM PST by hankbrown
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To: ClearCase_guy
if you really want to argue your case before the Supreme Court, isn’t it somewhat useful to lose in the lower courts, so that you can appeal your way up?

Given the state and appellate courts are typically littered with liberal judges, I'd simply add to your point that it's probably in the best interests of Team Trump to fail forward as fast as possible to get to the USSC. Can't let the State and Appellate courts drag this out and run out the clock.

42 posted on 11/19/2020 6:22:41 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ClearCase_guy
I will risk being called an utter fool but I speculate — if you really want to argue your case before the Supreme Court, isn’t it somewhat useful to lose in the lower courts, so that you can appeal your way up?

Speaking as a retired appellate lawyer with 42 years experience:

(a) You are always better off on appeal if you won below; no one loses on purpose just so they can appeal;

(b) If you have to appeal, it really doesn't help you if you lost because your factual allegations were laughably incorrect.

64 posted on 11/19/2020 6:55:20 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: ClearCase_guy; All
Rudy has said as much outright in an interview I saw a few days ago.

He said they want to deliberately lose some of the lower court cases to expedite their case up the line to the Supreme Court.

67 posted on 11/19/2020 7:39:21 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: ClearCase_guy

Or there’s a mole on the team


101 posted on 11/22/2020 3:41:20 AM PST by EBH (God Save the Republic. God is in Control. God knows what He is doing. )
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