Posted on 11/19/2020 5:40:00 PM PST by Hojczyk
Here’s the problem: the townships and precincts listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 of the affidavit are not in Michigan. They are in Minnesota. Monticello, Albertville, Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, Runeberg, Wolf Lake, Height of Land, Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Kandiyohi–these are all towns in Minnesota. I haven’t checked them all, but I checked a lot of them, and all locations listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 that I looked up are in Minnesota, with no corresponding township in Michigan. This would have been obvious to someone from this state,
Evidently a researcher, either Mr. Ramsland or someone working for him, was working with a database and confused “MI” for Minnesota with “MI” for Michigan. (The postal code for Minnesota is MN, while Michigan is MI, so one can see how this might happen.) So the affidavit, which addresses “anomalies and red flags” in Michigan, is based largely, and mistakenly, on data from Minnesota.
This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal position to crash and burn. Trump’s lawyers are fighting an uphill battle, to put it mildly, and confusing Michigan with Minnesota will at best make the hill steeper. Credibility once lost is hard to regain. Possibly Trump’s lawyers have already discovered this appalling error, and have undertaken to correct it. But the Ramsland Affidavit was filed in Georgia just yesterday.
A postscript: has Mr. Ramsland inadvertently stumbled across evidence of voter fraud in Minnesota? I seriously doubt it. The venues in question are all in red Greater Minnesota, not in the blue urban areas where voter fraud is common.
Trump’s lawyers have not yet had their day in court, but they will have to do a great deal better than this if they hope to succeed.
(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...
Another follow-up to this silly comment.
The Trump campaign is trying to establish a multi-state patter of systemic vote-shaving.
They have to look at the so-called "red" sections of several states, and the "blue urban areas" too, to show that the same patterns exist in all those cities in all those states.
As some people are now discovering, the votes are being shaved and passed through the third-party candidate before being deposited into the Biden camp. This pattern is repeating in all the states, and is likely to have begun at largely the same times, at least the big dumps of votes did after they retooled the system to account for President Trump's landslide turnout.
-PJ
How do you respond in a legal argument when you screw up that bad? LOL Not even a Texualist majority SCOTUS (On "paper") could justify that screw-up along with the rest of the arguments.
Omygosh. I need to just stop watching and reading the news. Somebody wake me when this is over.
Speaking as a retired appellate lawyer with 42 years experience:
(a) You are always better off on appeal if you won below; no one loses on purpose just so they can appeal;
(b) If you have to appeal, it really doesn't help you if you lost because your factual allegations were laughably incorrect.
The GOP and RNC want Trump gone....
Trump needs to start a third party...he has 70 million to sign up..
The GOP and RNC want Trump gone....
Trump needs to start a third party...he has 70 million to sign up..
Seems obvious. I had laugh at the GOP Senate rolling out some more Hunter Biden red meat for the base today. As if that matters while the steal is completed.
He said they want to deliberately lose some of the lower court cases to expedite their case up the line to the Supreme Court.
And that is what worries me. If they were attacking your points that would make me more comfortable. Because it would mean your points are incorrect. Unfortunately - unfortunately - that is not the case, and it worries me.
My hope and prayer is that there really is some sort of 7D chess going on. President Trump is a great man, but he has made some mistakes in the people he’s selected in the past. I pray he didn’t make a mistake with Giuliani.
There is still time, but it’s short and I hope Mr Giuliani understands that while it’s nice and well to keep voters excited with ‘breaking’ news, that the real decisions will be made in the courts. Or maybe he knows that, and I’m not sure whether that’s a reassuring thing or not. My hope is Giuliani will pull an Adlai Stevenson, the former US ambassador to the UN during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Not in how Adlai was a weak person most of the time, but rather in how when all seemed lost Adlai stepped up and totally destroyed the Soviets at the UN and their case there were no missiles in Cuba.
May Giuliani pull a last minute Adlai, because for now he may be ‘winning’ on the Conservative forums and Gateway Pundit, but he needs to win in the courts.
“ I voted for Trump and would do so again.”
Me too. But this post-election nonsense is BS.
Trump never formed a government, and his failure to do so was fatal.
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Oh I hear you. I am getting so confused! I think my best plan is to Trust God for the right outcome!! PRAYING much!!!!
A couple of them are OK at hitting lobbed softballs on friendly cable TV and talk radio.
Otherwise...
Correct.
He has an expection of himself, to perform a duty. He has the same expectation of others, and maybe that works in his business world, but there are too many job seekers in government.
And I include those who have a job in government, like Dr. Fauci, who surfs the swamp system. Ostensibly as a public servant, but actually as a self-serving-ego.
The Self-Serving Swamp Surfers.
President Trump did not manage to set up a system for detecting and hiring who is not so, that resulted in the numbers of people dedicated to their duty as public servants.
There are too many such as Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, whose business is to not show up.
I think that is their strategy....to deny Biden the 270 he needs. As long as they keep him short of that magic number, Biden can't win.
Then hope and pray that the GOP legislatures in the House vote in favor of Trump, giving him the win.
With regards to Donald Trump:
Rule #2: Never violate Rule #1. Ever.
Rule #1: Never bet against Donald J. Trump. Ever.
“Hence the focus on the courts.”
No matter what the courts do, it’s either electors or the House which elects a president.
I don’t see any court saying there was an invalid election in 4-6 different states, negating their electors de facto (though there’d be mucho wrangling). Or, declaring the entire election invalid.
What influence do the courts have on the vote of the electors, or the House?
All of these sworn affidavits— many of which involve minor, small counts—are not intended to overturn the elections.
They are intended to demonstrate how widespread the fraud is, no matter where you look.
Minnesota, Michigan, what’s the difference ? They are under extreme deadlines.
I agree with you that the courts can’t influence the votes of the electors. The only hope would be that a court order influences the state government’s decision about counting absentee ballots or some other subset of the total vote, with the result that Trump is left with a plurality. Then it’s the Trump electors who are appointed. Alternatively, court cases create such a storm of public protest that state legislatures appoint Trump electors, in defiance of the official count of the popular votes. And that would have to happen in multiple states, including several with Democratic governors whose vetoes couldn’t be overridden unless some Democratic legislators defected.
I agree with you that that’s unlikely.
My point was that the strategy of merely paralyzing some states, even if it gets Biden below 270, doesn’t work. Biden can win with fewer than 270 if some states don’t appoint electors at all.
The current numbers have Biden up, 306-232. His closest wins are NV, AZ, WI, MI, PA, and GA. If every single one of those states refuses to appoint electors, it takes Biden to 227, and Trump’s 232 is a majority of those appointed. Trump wins without a vote of the House.
But if even ONE of those states appoints Biden electors, Biden wins. The smallest, Nevada, has 6 votes. If they go to Biden while the others on the list are paralyzed, Biden wins, 233-232, because 233 is a majority of those appointed.
There’s no realistic scenario in which the House is a factor. It would have to be something like AZ-WI-MI all flip and appoint Trump electors, creating a 269-269 tie. Or the flips are GA-PA, and it looks as if Biden has squeaked through with 270 on the nose, but one faithless Biden elector (maybe voting for Hillary?) drops him to 269 and no one has a majority.
As a practical matter, forget the House.
Whoops, sorry, my first post mixed up WI and MI. If the four states you list —GA, PA, AZ and MI — fail to appoint electors, that decreases the total by 63, not 57. The basic point stands, though. Biden would still have a majority of those appointed, and would win, 243-232.
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