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Follow the Science! 1.2 Million COVID-19 deaths edition: Disputing The Second Wave Hysteria
OOTC ^ | 10/27/2020 | Mark Jeftovic via,

Posted on 10/27/2020 7:17:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This post was originally my comment to a person on Facebook, which somebody then deleted. This person repeatedly throws out the 1.2 M deaths worldwide number and I finally lost it and posted a response to him after he scolded people for “spreading disinformation and not listening to science”. He actually told people disputing the Second Wave Hysteria to “shut up and listen to the government and science”.

As one of my all-time favourite economists, Thomas Sowell, would say…. “Oh dear, where to begin?”

1 million or 1.2 million deaths worldwide sounds like a big number and on its own you can use it to club “Covidiots” into silence, that is, until you actually look at it.

For starters, bandying out a number, any number in isolation is meaningless. For any number to have any relevance, to anything, it has to be part of a data set or otherwise part of some meaningful comparison.

If we take the 1.2 million COVID deaths worldwide, at it’s face (more on that below), the obvious question then becomes “is that good or bad?”

The most useful signal we can get from a global COVID death toll is how it compares to what is called the “Absolute Fatality Rates” globally, which is simply the rate of all fatalities from all causes.

Source You can pick different countries. Canada was not an option, but most of the curves look the same.

From the charts, we can clearly see, there was a lot of excess mortality in March and April, and then, like every other meaningful metric around Coronavirus, it drops off drastically and starts to level out, with a slight seasonal rise as we head into the winter.

Interestingly, in “no lockdown” Sweden, it turns out their absolute death toll is much lower than one would think:


It could possibly come in lower by the end of the year, but if not, will come in not that much higher. Not as high as, say, the US or England.

If reducing fatalities is the goal, there is a much easier way to do that

Sadly, a lot of people die every day, and I’m sure you’ve seen memes on social media on how many more people die from other causes like Tuberculosis (1.4M in 2019) than COVID-19.

In the US, where the COVID death toll currently sits at 225K, it is estimated that medical malpractice kills 250K Americans a year.

But an even bigger number, according to the WHO, is that alcohol abuse kills 3 million people annually, and that number will surely go even higher this year given the massive spike in mental illness, domestic violence, child abuse, depression and suicide caused by the lockdowns.

If this is about saving lives, we could literally bring those alcohol related deaths to zero, turning it off like the flick of a switch by instituting a global ban on alcohol. We could do it tomorrow. Should we? The lives we save may include your own.

In fact if we banned alcohol then we could let Coronavirus run and still be ahead nearly 2M preventable deaths annually, provided COVID-19 kept going with the same intensity it was going in March and April, which it clearly isn’t (see below).

Of course, nobody would seriously entertain that, and they could probably articulate some decent logic around why we shouldn’t.

But they may dismiss it without considering how closely the lockdown approach toward reducing COVID fatalities is analogous to a worldwide ban on alcohol to eliminate alcohol related deaths would be. Especially since we also know that a large portion of coronavirus fatalities die with COVID-19 and numerous other comorbidities* than of it (however, see my footnote on that at the end of this post).

In that sense, alcohol related carnage is very similar. Few alcoholics drink themselves to death outright. Far more kill themselves (and others) in car accidents, commit suicide, or generally wreck their livers, hearts, kidneys, brains or generally run themselves down so low nearly anything else will finish them off.

Second Wave Hysteria

Case counts are clearly rising again globally, that much is true and we have oodles of data to track it. With it, there come fears of the dreaded “Second Wave” of fatalities.

In the often cited Spanish Flu of 1918, the bulk of the fatalities came in the second wave. However, the Spanish Flu was a very different pandemic than the one we have today. That one attacked people right in the early years of the prime-of-life age curve:


Scientists believe the nature of that strain caused “cytokine storms”, the phenomenon where the immune system overreacts and attacks itself. In a perverse twist of fate, this made the population with the strongest immune systems more vulnerable to the flu.

Contrast with COVID-19 where nobody disputes that the most vulnerable members of the population are the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions that render them immuno-compromised. In this sense, comparing 1918 to COVID-19 is not accurate or useful.



So, bear this in mind as I put in the graph below of how the Coronavirus Second Wave is playing out when it comes to case counts vs fatalities:

If we were in for a 1918-style Second Wave fatality overrun, we would see it in the data. As I pointed out in my previous post, the above data comes from the Province of Ontario, but pretty well all graphs from locales undergoing second waves in case counts, look the same. The fatalities are riding the floor (that “spike” in the fatality count was a data correction where they took previously missed data from the proceeding 90 days, and added them all to 2 data points), but the case counts are going up, as are the number of tests.

Right now the slope of the case count far exceeds the slope of the fatalities.

For the fatalities to come in anywhere near the Second Wave of 1918 scenario, the slope of the fatality line needs to blast off in a near vertical line right now. In the Ivor Cummins interview he mentioned Dr. Sunetra Gupta’s work indicating that COVID seems to peter out when it hits 20% of the population (but I can’t find the cite). If true, it is hard to envision a scenario where that is mathematically possible.

If not true, and we’re about to experience a Second Wave of fatalities, it would be impossible to occur without seeing it in the data and right now, all of the data, everywhere is showing either a moderate rise with seasonality, or an aggregate, overall decrease in fatalities.

It’s also been pointed out that the rationale behind the lockdowns was to prevent the healthcare system from being overrun. Aside from a few notable exceptions in Phase 1, that didn’t happen. If we look at the data now, it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen now, either. When I first started posting about the second wave numbers, I pointed out that even the ICU cases line was diverging from the hospitalizations line (right side, below). Right now it looks like the total hospitalizations are lower in Wave 2, then they were in Wave 1, even against a case count exceeding previous highs.


All of this should be good news, but for some reason, people become very upset when you try to walk them through this. I’m open to all logic, data and science based objections or counter-points to where I am wrong on this, bearing in mind that “SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE GOVERNMENT AND SCIENCE” isn’t a logical, scientific or data driven counter-argument.

What to do next.

I would close out with two additional reading exercises, one, I would go look at The Great Barrington Declaration and if you think they’re approach of focused protection makes sense, sign it. Number two: have a look at the comparison of The Great Barrington Declaration with what’s called “The John Snow Memorandum“.

If you want to follow my work, and I seem to be covering more about the lockdowns lately, then sign up for the mailing list here, or follow me on Twitter here.

Footnote on Comorbidities

(*The number you see bandied around a lot is 94% of all COVID-19 fatalities had comorbidities. This number largely keys off CDC data that only 6% of fatalities list only COVID-19 as a c.o.d. If you look at the CDC data on what the comorbidities are, the biggest one accounting for close to half of all fatalities, especially in the elderly, is pneumonia and influenza. I think it’s inaccurate to just net-out all of those cases and dismiss them as comorbidities because that is one of the most common ways respiratory viruses manifest. But that said, the data, when you consider comorbidities and the looseness with which COVID gets added to c.o.d’s, what all this means is that the headline number for fatalities is the top boundary. They aren’t higher, and they are probably for all practical purposes, lower).

TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; hysteria; secondwave

1 posted on 10/27/2020 7:17:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Tell the Second Wavers we are still in the first wave. This shutdown of the world has only postponed the inevitable

Dr Fauci says the US is still in the first wave of Covid
‘There’s no appetite whatsoever in this country for shutting down in any strict way, but there are certain public health measures that you could implement’

Justin Vallejo
New York
18 hours ago

2 posted on 10/27/2020 7:20:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: SeekAndFind

Question: Has the overall death rage actually gone up any where, Chicom Flu or no?

3 posted on 10/27/2020 7:27:37 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Left and Right no longer have anything in common. A House divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well look what we have here. Deaths for virus graph, showing us all what we already knew about these type of viruses through humanities existence. If left alone, you will typically get a roughly 4 week ramp up in deaths, followed by a roughly 4 week ramp back to normal.

And the powers that be understand this, which is why they had to move to “cases” instead of deaths, to keep the hysteria up. To keep their boot on the neck of freedom.

4 posted on 10/27/2020 7:32:33 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing America's youth on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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I’ve wondered why the 1918 influenza attacked young people much more than older people (See Figure 1 above, “Recorded deaths by age in Montreal and Toronto”).

There was an article this week suggesting the MMR vaccine confers some cross-immunity to COVID. Prior to 1971, there were individual vaccines:
• Measles, introduced 1963
• Rubella, introduced 1969
• Mumps vaccine, introduced 196

Then the combined MMR vaccine was introduced in 1971 and became mandatory.

Obviously these individual and combined vaccines were not available in 1918. If they had been introduced 50 years earlier (same relative time as MMR introduced before COVID), would that have greatly diminished the young-person influenza death rate? Would that have made the 1918 curves look just like today’s COVID death-by-age curve?

Perhaps, if MMR had not been introduced, COVID death rates by ages today would look just like the 1918 influenza death rate by age group.

In Figure 1, if you mentally reduce the young person death rates to low values and expand the vertical scale, I think the curves would look a lot like today’s COVID curve.

So maybe the two diseases don’t intrinsically hit young people harder; maybe we are just seeing the effects of the existing MMR vaccine knocking down young person COVID death rates today. This, in turn, exaggerates the old person death rates (older people didn’t get the MMR vax and are generally more susceptible to disease).

Just my musing for the day.

5 posted on 10/27/2020 7:48:34 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting that the data on age of Covid deaths is categorized in ten-year blocks. Also, BTW, that the data are from China.

It would be more interesting to categorize the data not in fixed age blocks but in fixed % blocks. The differences between the various categories of young people aren’t very exciting, but the difference between “70+” and “80+” is dramatic.

When you get to my age, you’ll be more interested in the difference between 72 and 74 yo, etc.

6 posted on 10/27/2020 9:07:37 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

That would only be true if the Spanish Flu virus (H1N1) has a similar homology of DNA to one of the MMR viruses. The Covid virus is 30% identical to Rubella, which is what they think is conferring the protection.

7 posted on 10/27/2020 9:20:18 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: SeekAndFind

The ‘Fatality Rate by Age’ graph is not convincing to me because it is in February 2020 while the disease was still China centric.

8 posted on 10/27/2020 10:25:46 AM PDT by urtax$@work
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I talked to my doc about the possible cross-immunity between MMR vaccine and COVID. He ordered a test to see if I am immune to all three (measles, mumps, and rubella). If I’m not immune to all three, he will order an MMR vaccination for me.

I think I had chicken pox and measles as a kid, but not mumps or rubella. So I think I’ll probably be getting the MMR.

9 posted on 10/27/2020 1:58:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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