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Is There Any Hope of a Carnival Cruise This Year?
Cruise Hive ^ | Oct 14, 2020 | Robert McGillivray

Posted on 10/14/2020 12:08:57 PM PDT by Capt. Tom

When Carnival Cruise Line announced they would be canceling all cruises from the home ports of Miami and Port Canaveral, many people’s thoughts went to their December cruises. What will happen to cruises booked from the homeports in December, and is it even reasonable to think that Carnival will be cruising this year?

We look at the complexity that Carnival Cruise Line has to navigate to offer a cruise in December, what measures are needed, how much depends on the CDC and White House decisions, and what efforts will be needed to get the crew to the vessels.

One thing we can tell you already; Even if there is a Carnival Cruise this year, it won’t be as we knew it before.

Implementing Procedures On Board The Ships While it might seem easy enough to implement the procedures and protocols necessary onboard the vessels, this is the most challenging part.

The embarkation procedures, setting up online check-in systems, ensuring that these are thoroughly tested to ensure they work will take a lot of time and effort. There need to be luggage sanitation stations, where everyone’s luggage can be disinfected.

Most importantly, cruise lines will need to train hundreds of people in conducting COVID-19 tests for thousands of cruise passengers, and ensure these tests are back within the hour.

Onboard the implementation ranges from setting up social distancing throughout the vessel, measuring how far tables are apart, setting up sunbeds with social distancing in mind, and setting up a digital restaurant system that will work on everyone’s smartphone. The list is endless.

Yes, there is a structure that is in place in Europe that seems to be working just fine. However, this works in Europe. There is no-one that knows for sure that the U.S. authorities and the CDC will approve these procedures.

Carnival will need to take the European procedures under advisement but start from scratch and under the CDC’s advisement. Potentially the Healthy Sail Panel’s recommendation will be fully approved, but that remains to be seen.

The Decisions Of The CDC Will Decide Everything All the talk about the CDC is not for nothing. While they have received their fair share of criticism, the fact remains that the final say on whether cruising in the United States resumes lies solely with the CDC and Director Robert Redfield.

The cruise lines have been making plans to resume cruising for many months now. And each time they have been stopped by the CDC. It has been made very clear by Director Redfield that he would rather see a No Sail Order until February.

If it wasn’t for the White House’s veto on the matter, the No Sail Order until February would be in place.

So what if the White House orders the CDC to open? The possibility is there that the White House could ask the CDC to do so, whether the White House has any legal standing in this regard remains to be seen.

Getting Crew To The Ship Is Not As Easy As It Seems Hypothetically, if the CDC announces tomorrow that cruising is allowed immediately, how long would it take Carnival to have ships crewed and ready to go?

Most Carnival ships have crew members that come from such countries as the Philippines, India, South Africa, and countries in Middle and South America. These are precisely the countries which have strict measures in place.

Let’s take the Philippines as an example: A crew member living in a province outside of Metro Manila would need to travel to Manila to have all documents arranged. They will need permits from the government to travel, this alone takes several days to a week to arrange.

Worth Reading: It’s a New Reality for Thousands of Cruise Ship Crew Members

Once in Manila, it will take another week or so for COVID testing and quarantine, and add another week to arrange all documents.

From the moment the crew member gets the call to travel, it will be at least two weeks to the moment they fly. If crew members are allowed onboard, another Quarantine and COVID test awaits them. Only then will the crew be allowed to go to work and start training for all the new procedures.

This means a minimum of one month, but most likely much longer, to get the crew ready. The one month does not account for the possibility of infection amongst crew members.

So, Will I Be Able To Take A Carnival Cruise In December? Like we said at the beginning of this article, it won’t be the same. Yes, you might be able to take a cruise. However, this depends on so many factors, which all need to have people willing to make the decisions needed, that it seems unlikely at best.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Travel
KEYWORDS: cancelledcruises; royalcaribbean
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To: 8Man

Interesting, thanks. We cruised last year, usually go at least a few years apart. Bet I’ll get torn a new one for posting that to cruise buddies, but they’ll likely know what ships those are.

From the OP at your link:

I am not a fan of the cruise ship industry, and in fact find it to be utterly decadent, depraved and sick. As I age, more and more I’m coming to terms with the reality that you simply cannot give peasants a bunch of money and tell them to do whatever they want with it.


21 posted on 10/14/2020 1:13:39 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Capt. Tom

When these boats are auctioned off who wants to join me and buy one and turn it into CONDOS?

We could all live on it and declare ourselves and independent state.


22 posted on 10/14/2020 1:18:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Mr. K

Those big diesels burn ~ 80,000 gallons of fuel a day, Do ports take American Express?


23 posted on 10/14/2020 1:30:43 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: albie

Norovirus....never once in 36 cruises all over the world for me. Eating in city restaurants...quite a few times. But it never gets in the news.


24 posted on 10/14/2020 1:54:40 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: Mr. K

Where do I sign?


25 posted on 10/14/2020 1:55:27 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: Capt. Tom
What did President Trump say?

Something to the effect of them not being US Flagged ships, and not to receive bailout money.

Huh, now if we can apply welfare, social security money, WIC, and any form of subsistence to the illegal aliens, then I'd call that a good start.

26 posted on 10/14/2020 2:03:14 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ)
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To: SERE_DOC
What did President Trump say? Something to the effect of them not being US Flagged ships, and not to receive bailout money.

The Cruise lines won't get bailout money , so they are looking to get LOANS. (which have to be paid back).

Some countries have done that; loaned the Cruise lines money, England being one of them.
We haven't loaned them money-yet. -Tom

27 posted on 10/14/2020 2:16:45 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
I was in the Merchant Marines back in the early 70's for a few years prior to enlisting.

I've watched with sadness the American Merchant fleet dwindle down and being the son of a merchant seaman who was in 37 or so years all through WWII first with a foreign flag then with a US flagged ships and a career with the National Maritime Union as an official.

Just to bad with the advent of this pandemic, so many directly and indirectly effected.

28 posted on 10/14/2020 3:22:16 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ)
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To: HangnJudge

Only when they are moving


29 posted on 10/15/2020 4:48:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Capt. Tom

Those considering a cruise in the near future might wish to read this article detailing the restrictions/protocols for MSC cruises, one of the few cruise lines currently sailing in Europe. I suspect CDC will impose pretty much the same rules:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23627-what-it-s-like-to-cruise-with-costa-during-the-pandemic.html

I am particularly impressed with the rules for elevators which include four little circles for standing in the elevators allowing only four passengers in the elevator at the same time.


30 posted on 10/15/2020 7:30:05 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A Man Hears What He Wants to Hear and Disregards the Rest)
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To: DugwayDuke

“I am particularly impressed with the rules for elevators which include four little circles for standing in the elevators”

LOL!


31 posted on 10/15/2020 7:33:32 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable. Discouragement is a choice.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I’m also impressed by the number who think these rules are completely acceptable.


32 posted on 10/15/2020 7:40:20 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A Man Hears What He Wants to Hear and Disregards the Rest)
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To: DugwayDuke; gibsonguy; NormsRevenge; Chgogal; Ann Archy; dennisw; entropy12; Captain Walker; ...
New thread below on wehether the CDC is poised to move in for the kill on all cruises from our country this year.

click here for new thread

33 posted on 10/15/2020 11:39:11 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
Bad link...was this it? "Expanded Probe Into Allegations White House Interfered in CDC No Sail Order"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3894110/posts

34 posted on 10/15/2020 11:52:11 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova
Bad link...was this it? "Expanded Probe Into Allegations White House Interfered in CDC No Sail Order" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3894110/posts

Thanks for correcting my link. - Tom

35 posted on 10/15/2020 12:06:36 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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To: DugwayDuke

Biden rallies on ships ???


36 posted on 10/15/2020 12:56:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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