We sailed on the Fantome out of the Bahamas in the 80's.
Posted on 09/30/2020 10:54:41 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
With the CDC looking to possibly extend the No Sail Order to next year, the White House overruling the CDC, and cruise line executives meeting in the White House on Friday, it seems that chaos reigns in the cruise industry.
In the meantime, some ships have been laid up for over six months. Carnival Corporation is expediting the process of selling 18 vessels. Cruise & Maritime Voyages entered administration. Businesses dependent on the cruise industry ashore are recording record losses, and most crew members have been at home with no income for six months now.
The scale of the industry? In 2017, 25.8 million went on a cruise. 27.2 million people went on a cruise in 2018. $126 billion in total economic impact was generated. One million direct industry jobs paying $41 billion in wages and salaries. This does not account for the billions of dollars generated by the industry in revenue and employment for airlines, hotels, retail, agriculture, entertainment, etc.
It is relatively safe to say that banning cruises any longer is a disaster waiting to happen.
The cruise industry as a whole and the major three, Carnival Corporation, Royal Caribbean, and Norwegian Cruise Line, represent such a big part of worldwide economies that these will not be allowed to stop operations altogether.
Royal Caribbean’s assets in 2018 were worth US$27.69 billion, with 77.000 employees. Carnival Corporation’s assets were worth US$45.06 billion in 2019, with 120.000 employees. Norwegian Cruise Line was worth US16.7 billion, with 36.000 employees in 2019.
Although the CDC’s goal is to protect the United States and its citizens, it should also realize that the cruise industry is not just the U.S.; it is a global industry where hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of jobs are on the line.
(Excerpt) Read more at cruisehive.com ...
“Good, I thought I was being picky.”
The cruise industry, the shipping industry and the U.S. government use ‘sailing’.
Then they should try a cruise out of Jacksonville, Florida.
1/4-1/3 of passengers were non-white on the 4 cruises we have done from there. I prefer sailing from Cape Canaveral because ships are better and larger. But JAX cruise terminal is less than 45 minutes and very convenient while Cape is 2.5 hours drive from home.
Trump’s fault.
If he decides to go, ask him to check on the Covid prevention regulations onboard.
Some are onerous like the Healthy Sail Panel rules below that a lot of Cruise ships are adopting. -Tom
The Healthy Sail Panel also called for:
Passengers to be tested for COVID-19 between five days and 24 hours before sailing. Those testing positive would not be allowed to cruise.
Passengers to wear cloth face coverings or masks on ships in accordance with CDC recommendations.
Cruise lines to only allow indoor excursions during port stops if physical distancing, use of masks and other recommended protective measures can be implemented.
Cruise lines to modify onboard facilities so passengers can remain socially distanced in accordance with CDC recommendations (at least six feet separation).
Daily temperature checks for all passengers.
All of these are things that some would-be cruisers may find onerous.
There are several places around the world that will buy them....and then cut them up, and sell the scrap. -Tom
From the article: “Although the CDC’s goal is to protect the United States and its citizens, ...”
I wish the CDC, and the rest of the government, would leave my protection up to me. So many are insisting that cruise ships are too dangerous to sail. OK, so don’t sail, but leave the rest of us alone.
“Some of the small cruise ships have sails.
Almost all have less than 250 passengers...”
I never thought of that. Now that you mention it, I remember my parents-in-law took an Alaska cruise on a small ship that got them into, out of, and around places a large ship couldn’t. They really enjoyed it.
The CDC has it in for the Cruise Lines. -Tom
Excerpt from Sept.30 Cruise Critic.
"According to Axios, citing sources with intimate knowledge of the meeting, CDC Director Robert Redfield had wanted the No-Sail Order extended through February 2021, but the White House overruled.
“Sailing’ is universally used in the shipping and cruise industries”
That’s odd, I was a Naval engineer for 30 years, we never called it sailing, sailing was done with blow boats.
Thru Feb 2021 would have cancelled 2 more of my cruises one a replacement and the other a short one at the end of Nov just to be cruising...
The cruise gremlins dont like me...
(SOB)
I NEED A CRUISE !!!!!!!
If the CDC had their way they would have extended the no-sail order through February and probably bankrupted Norwegian CL and would cripple Carnival and Royal Caribbean.
Tomorrow-Friday- the white house is expected to kibosh that idea and have Cruising resume in November in our country.
Stay tuned. -Tom
“Then they should try a cruise out of Jacksonville, Florida.
1/4-1/3 of passengers were non-white “
Up until chinavirus, the only line to sail from Jacksonville was Carnival. Party ship, drunken everybody, what do you expect?
Cape Cnvrl. now has other lines docking there.
The ‘health problems’ as you say are hyperbole as they occur below the statistical norm for infectious diseases. Do you ever see national news stories of a norovirus outbreak traced to a Wal-mart, an airport or other venues? They happen all the time but are difficult to identify and are not newsworthy.
At any given time in 2019 there were 2,500 cruise ships on the ocean. Maybe once a year there’s a story of some health problem on one or two of them. Hyperbole. The total infection rate amongst all cruise ships is lower than the public’s for all infections including Covid-19. Being on a cruise has less health risks than staying at home and going out in public.
Looking forward to free market economics triumphing this Friday. Free People have a choice. They can choose not to cruise if they think it’s unsafe. Socialists never acknowledge that people have freedoms. They don’t believe in freedom.
Simple economics can answer this question. Discount them until someone emerges to buy them. It's called creating a market.
Now NCL gets to keep our money until who knows when, and we get to take a cruise again.
“The ‘health problems’ as you say are hyperbole as they occur below the statistical norm for infectious diseases. Do you ever see national news stories of a norovirus outbreak traced to a Wal-mart, an airport or other venues? They happen all the time but are difficult to identify and are not newsworthy.”
I have never gotten sick from Walmart but we all get sick from every cruise.
In the mornings, I walk the perimeter of the ship on multiple decks to get exercise. Once in a while I bump into people who are walking too slow.
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