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Editorials: When to Secede, Mr. Brady and the Republicans, At Attempt to Make Mischief (9/28/1860)
New York Times - Times Machine ^ | 9/28/1860

Posted on 09/28/2020 7:06:56 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

The Southern Disunionists are exercising a good deal of prudence in their plans and projects for carrying their schemes into execution. They evince very little of that headlong zeal which has sometimes characterized them. They are not disposed to rush to arms instantly and wage a war of extermination upon the North as they have at times threatened to do hitherto -- but are suggesting various modes of accomplishing their object, with a view of selecting the one which shall involve least risk. Part are opposed to any one State seceding alone. Some want one State to take the lead, and some another. One man thinks it madness to move until Virginia and the other border States are disposed to join in the movement, and others think it much greater madness to dream that they will ever do so. And there is a still greater diversity of opinion as to the time of secession, -- whether they should secede at once, or wait for some "overt act." In this diversity of sentiment the Charleston Mercury makes one suggestion which will probably meet universal concurrence. That sagacious journal is of the opinion that if they are to secede at all, they had better do it while Mr. BUCHANAN is in office, rather than after LINCOLN comes in. It bases its opinion upon an article in the Constitution, contending that in the pending sectional controversy the North is the aggressor. The Mercury jumps at the hint. If that is the President's opinion, then he must concede the right of the South to repel aggression. Then he won't send the Army and Navy to put down the South, if they make the attempt. But LINCOLN will. Therefore, it would be wisest to make the movement now.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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Link to previous New York Times thread

1 posted on 09/28/2020 7:06:56 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 09/28/2020 7:08:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Editorial: When to Secede – 2
Editorial: Mr. Brady and the Republicans – 2
Editorial: An Attempt to Make Mischief – 2-3
A Party of Principle – 3
Movements of Lord Renfrew – 3-4
Capture of Another Slaver – 4
City Military Movements – 4
General City News – 4
3 posted on 09/28/2020 7:09:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I though these were from today.

I know there have been articles supporting secession (met with comments and tweets saying “just go and tell us where you will get food”).


4 posted on 09/28/2020 7:11:16 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Do not mistake activity for achievement." - John Wooden)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

They weren’t wrong about LINCOLN. Like his favorite General later, “he fights.”


5 posted on 09/28/2020 7:41:52 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Wow! that is so interesting - thank you for posting it


6 posted on 09/28/2020 9:24:37 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Mr. K

You are welcome. I plan to start NY Times threads six days a week. Seven days beginning next April.


7 posted on 09/28/2020 9:44:43 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; OIFVeteran; Bull Snipe; rustbucket; rockrr; woodpusher; DoodleDawg
"Editorial: Mr. Brady and the Republicans – 2"

I highly recommend this is an extraordinary 1861 editorial wherein we find arguments sometimes posted on these threads:

A Southern Democrat, Mr. Brady argues: "the Republicans gravely argue that a man ought to be made President of the United States because he once split rails."
It seems Democrats then were no more serious than they are today.

But Brady does make serious arguments:

Today we hear that same argument from our own Lost Causers: "Northerners hate blacks more than Southerners ever did," they claim.
But first, let us not forget that the people who made that claim were Democrats and they referred not to "northerners" generally, but specifically to Republicans -- "Black Republicans" they called us.

The editorial goes on to remark:

Wow! I'd say those words apply pretty well to Democrats today. The gist is: Republicans were motivated not just by philanthropy towards slaves, but even more by animosity against slaveholders and the political interests of slavery.

Now curiously enough, it is our own Lost Causers who claim that last prediction was totally true!
They tell us the Civil War was not about slavery, but something else -- tariffs... fishing smacks... mean-spirited Northerners... something, anything else, just not slavery.

8 posted on 09/30/2020 2:44:08 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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