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Apple (AAPL) is Being Replaced With This Company in China
Daily Trade Alert ^ | 09/06/2020 | Apple (AAPL) is Being Replaced With This Company in China by Tony Daltorio, Investors Alley

Posted on 09/06/2020 8:53:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

After crippling Huawei and throwing cold water on ByteDance’s global business, the Trump Administration has turned its sights on a third Chinese technology giant, Tencent (TCEHY).

Tencent was the only Chinese company to feature in the world’s ten largest providers of both apps and games by download volumes last year, according to the mobile platform tracker App Annie.

Banning Tencent’s WeChat, an app that is central to the lives of over a billion Chinese users, would have a major impact not just on China’s second most valuable tech company, but also on a large number of large U.S. corporations.

A strict interpretation of the new rule could force Apple (AAPL) and Alphabet (GOOG) to remove WeChat (known in China as Weixin) from their app stores.

Because WeChat is so popular in China, this action would severely dent iPhone sales there.

Given the choice between WeChat and the iPhone, most Chinese consumers would ditch their iPhones for a Chinese competitor. More on that in a moment.

Of course, Apple is not the only giant U.S. company that would be adversely affected.

The possibility of losing WeChat as a sales and marketing channel capable of reaching more than a billion Chinese customers is casting a shadow over many American companies that operate in China.

Among the companies affected will be sportswear maker Nike (NKE), which operates digital stores on WeChat; membership-only warehouse chain Costco (COST), which recruits new users via the app; as well as consumer goods heavyweight Procter & Gamble (PG), which hands out e-coupons through the WeChat platform.

The app’s “mini-programs”, or instant location-based pop-ups, are used by many U.S. companies such as Starbucks (SBUX), Walmart (WMT)—whose e-commerce sales in China have doubled—and Coca-Cola (KO)to reach local consumers. Users employ the mini-programs to do things like shop, send gift cards, and order coffee. Last year they spent $115 billion through these programs!

WeChat has almost replaced email in China and is one of two main ways of making mobile payments in China’s increasingly cashless cities.

Its main competitor is Alipay, a subsidiary of another Chinese tech giant, Alibaba (BABA).

The dominance of WeChat in business explains U.S. companies’ anxiety.

Even if their employees in China can keep using WeChat, the order will stop U.S.-based workers at multinational firms like General Motors or Goldman Sachs from using it to communicate with their Chinese colleagues.

And if the order prohibits U.S. companies from using WeChat’s payments systems for business transactions, it would leave them at a significant competitive disadvantage.

Tencent has also amassed stakes in a number of U.S. companies, including Activision Blizzard, Reddit, Lyft, Warner Music, Snap, and Tesla. It may be forced to sell these large stakes, hurting U.S. shareholders.

However, as I mentioned above, the company most at risk is Apple. Let me explain.

Zàijiàn Apple (Goodbye Apple)

Apple is the only Western smartphone maker with a notable presence in the Chinese market, and it relies on the country for nearly 20% of its revenue.

While the specific scope of the planned WeChat ban remains to be seen, most iPhone users in China have already made up their minds as to which side they will choose, if forced.

A local media outlet, Phoenix Weekly, posted an online poll that asked: “If one day Weixin can no longer be installed in iPhones, would you change your phone or not use Weixin?” Among 88,000 participants surveyed, nearly 80,000 of them said they would choose the messaging app, while fewer than 6,000 said they would stick with their iPhones.

The biggest beneficiary will likely be Huawei (Apple trailed Huawei in shipments in 2019) and other smartphone makers including Xiaomi (XIACY).

The rapidly improving quality of these domestic smartphones will make this an easy choice for most Chinese.

That’s because having WeChat is an absolute must in the country. WeChat is used by 1.1 billion people—mostly in China—and its functions go far beyond chatting.

The app offers services ranging from paying bills to hailing a taxi and even swapping secondhand goods.

In other words, WeChat is at the center of everyday life in China today.

China accounts for about 20% of Apple’s revenues, so any decline there could significantly hurt the company’s bottom line. Think back to the beginning of 2019, when Apple lowered its revenue guidance—for the first time in 16 years—due in large part to weakened demand in China.

Losing access to WeChat would also dent Apple’s popularity globally, as anyone doing business with China would have to figure out another way to maintain communications with WeChat users.

Once again, smartphones from Chinese vendors such as Xiaomi will be winners as these Chinese smartphone makers will help their overseas customers figure out how to download or update WeChat.

And U.S. multinationals could see a big chunk of their revenues disappear unless cooler heads prevail.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: apple; china; tencent; wechat

1 posted on 09/06/2020 8:53:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
S/B, a billion people, and *only* 20% of Apple's revenues.

2 posted on 09/06/2020 9:12:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Decoupling from china is not easy. Who knew?


3 posted on 09/06/2020 9:13:54 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Its not about color, its about character.)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL!
This article was dictated by Xi Jinping?

Hmmm... maybe Chinese companies could find another way for Westerners to participate in their markets?
But, oh no, CCP wouldn’t allow that- and they’re the masters of the universe.

Trump, and our, problem has always been the fightback from Westerners invested in China who don’t want to lose on their Chines income.


4 posted on 09/06/2020 9:21:17 PM PDT by mrsmith (`(US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: mrsmith

I would rather see any of these problems than simply hand over with a compliant smile all of our intellectual property to those statist Chicom scumbags.

We are currently not operating in a Free Market. When one the two major players in the “Free Market” is engaging in practices that are antithetical to a free market, IT ISN’T A FREE MARKET. It is warfare. In the end, it would be the same failure.

If we fight them, we may lose as well, but we won’t have to do it by our own hand with a subservient smile on our faces.

And we might just win.


5 posted on 09/06/2020 9:32:23 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind

First I have stock in all the companies mentioned and I am not giving advice to buy or sell but beware articles like this one. these are often pump and dump articles, an article meant to reinforce the price of stocks the writer has already bought and then hopes the article will drive it a little higher and then they sell


6 posted on 09/06/2020 9:39:27 PM PDT by TECTopcat (e)
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To: rlmorel

Excellent post!


7 posted on 09/06/2020 9:44:59 PM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump should ban all H1Bs as well as take out TenCent.
What’s not to like?


8 posted on 09/06/2020 11:26:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Swordmaker

Apple ping.


9 posted on 09/06/2020 11:31:27 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: SeekAndFind
And U.S. multinationals could see a big chunk of their revenues disappear unless cooler heads prevail


10 posted on 09/07/2020 12:26:15 AM PDT by eldoradude (Bad robot)
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To: SeekAndFind; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 5thGenTexan; AbolishCSEU; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; ...
This is a brain dead article. The Chinese Apple App Store is not available to American iPhone users, and the American, European, and in fact the rest of the world’s Apple App Stores are not available to Chinese users. It’s blocked by the Great China Firewall.

This block is not by Apple’s intent but rather by China’s intent. Trump’s edict prohibiting Chinese government’s sanctioned spyware apps from being available on American iOS and Android phones cannot impact the sales or downloads of those apps in China, because it’s easy to proscribe the offering of the apps here, while China can still offer them in China. Such Apps can be listed on anti-malware definition databases for Android, and merely not offered on non-Chinese Apple App stores outside of China.

Needless to say, this same article has been written multiple times before and its theory that some magic Chinese phone will arise to take the iPhone’s place in the Chinese market because of a demand for a "must have" app, and the prediction has failed multiple times before. Why? Because there are thousands of knock-off similar apps that access those same social media platforms in China, replacements for those Government spyware apps, and most importantly because Apple is not under Trump’s edict in China to delete the apps from any Chinese consumer owned devices or from the Chinese Apple App Store. Everyone in China KNOWS the government is spying on its citizens through their apps and that the law requires government access through apps. It’s a "So what else’s new?" In China. . . It the expected business as normal. President Trump’s authority to order such removal does not extend to China, just as China cannot order the US to delete any Apps they don’t like (yet!). Ergo, nothing in the app availability in China will change for consumers to get upset about that will cause them to change their phone purchase preferences as this article ties its panties in a wad about.

It’s FUD Season!
OOPS! Dwat! I missed!
You wascally Apple, you!

This is just another premature FUD SEASON (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) Apple hit piece article misfire, mistimed because Apple moved their major product announcement, usually held at the end of September (and this FUD article would be timely), to the end of October due to Covid uncertainty, thus making the normal FUD Season article timing off by a month. LOL! FUD Season is traditionally timed to start Before and run during the three weeks leading up to any major Apple event or Apple product announcement and is characterized by the publication and promulgation of propaganda anti-Apple and negative news about Apple in the printed media, broadcast news, and online before and for about a week afterwards, coordinated by Apple competition and Financial speculators trying to drop AAPL value for fun and profit.

Because of Apple’s last minute change in plans, some articles, especially those scheduled for publication in print magazines, such as this one and one from several days ago in Inc., could not be delayed, and misfired at the old FUD target time frame. ROTFLMAO! — PING!


Mis-timed APPLE FUD Article Claiming That
Some Chinese Phone Maker Will Displace
iPhones In China Due to Trump App Bans
PING!

If you want on or off the Apple/Mac/iOS Ping List, Freepmail me.

11 posted on 09/07/2020 1:14:06 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot1)
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To: dayglored
Apple ping.

Thanks for the Ping to this FUD Season misfire. ROTFLMAO!. . . these articles have been timed for preprint and release in printed magazines that have to go to press weeks in advance for editorial and ad pages. They’re targeted for certain issues and once galleyed they are "set in stone" unlike the more flexible editable pages that have up-to-date data on them. I used to do IT for on of these publishers.

This week should have been when FUD Season for Apple was in full swing in the run up to the expected and originally announced end of September iphone 12 rollout. . . but Covid19 uncertainties through a monkey wrench into the works and Apple bumped the announcement date to end of October, so FUD Season can’t start until first week in October. . . but these hard press articles are deadlines for September release. OOPS! They are going off half cocked, misfiring. ROTFLMAO! While they will have some effect on AAPL, it won’t be the coordinated assault a normal FUD Season is designed to do.

12 posted on 09/07/2020 1:26:29 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot1)
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To: laplata

Thanks, laplata...if we have two bad choices, why not take the one that at least lets us not be willing slaves!


13 posted on 09/07/2020 4:30:12 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind

....Once again, smartphones from Chinese vendors such as Xiaomi will be winners as these Chinese smartphone makers will help their overseas customers figure out how to download or update WeChat......

The customer holds all the leverage.
Maybe, the Chinese manufacturers will have to figure out how to communicate with their Customers.

If the Chinese phone makers cannot steal technology from around the world, they will have a product as useful as the Palm Pilot Professional


14 posted on 09/07/2020 5:02:41 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Swordmaker

Among the companies affected.. which operates digital stores .. recruits new users via the app; ... which hands out e-coupons through the ..
The app’s “mini-programs”, or instant location-based pop-ups, are used by many U.S. companies ..to reach local consumers. ..

I never did like these social media leeches reading/listening and storing all of my personal communications, location, preferences, etc.
I was told this fight is past, we should have protested over 10 years ago.
Now, VSG President Trump has found a way to push back!!
Not tired of winning, yet.


15 posted on 09/07/2020 5:31:07 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: rlmorel

Right you are!


16 posted on 09/07/2020 9:17:30 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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