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1 posted on 08/12/2020 2:31:56 PM PDT by Jonty30
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I think we can agree that it had nothing to do with caring about the slaves.

Go away, sleazebag.

2 posted on 08/12/2020 2:33:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (You are in far greater danger from authoritarian government than you are from a seasonal virus.)
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I’ve read that Britain was considering joining the war in support of the CSA. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which prevented them from joining because it would look as if Britain were supporting slavery. I’ve also read that Britain was putting troops in Canada just in case they did join the war.


3 posted on 08/12/2020 2:34:42 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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That dog don’t hunt.


5 posted on 08/12/2020 2:36:04 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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You don’t know the slightest thing about the Abolitionist Movement do you?


6 posted on 08/12/2020 2:36:41 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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Some cared about slavery, but by and large, the Southerners only cared about slavery because most Southerners were just a notch above slavery themselves. They didn’t want the slaves released to compete with them for jobs.


7 posted on 08/12/2020 2:37:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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I read that it was a morality issue with Christians in the north. Splitting mothers from babies, the brutality.


8 posted on 08/12/2020 2:37:56 PM PDT by dhs12345
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And there were just as many racists in the North as the South.


9 posted on 08/12/2020 2:38:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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I think you could be more general and say it was because wage-based economies had proven themselves far more productive than slavery.


12 posted on 08/12/2020 2:40:26 PM PDT by mrsmith (`(US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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I’d say you should put more thought into this, particularly regarding your comment:

“I think we can agree that it had nothing to do with caring about the slaves.”

Sounds like you’ve been brainwashed into oblivion by Howard Zinn.


13 posted on 08/12/2020 2:42:00 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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Trade embargoes.


15 posted on 08/12/2020 2:42:36 PM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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The current battlefield on this topic has to do with democrats trying to hide the fact that they owned slaves and republicans didn’t.

The democrats fought against the republicans to keep slavery.

Republicans won and freed the slaves.


17 posted on 08/12/2020 2:43:57 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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We agree on nothing. Go away.


19 posted on 08/12/2020 2:46:40 PM PDT by madison10
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The number one reason politically? Three fifths of a person..

Morally? Slavery was and still is a abomination on society.

Which explains this constant harping on the civil war. It was DEMOCRATS who foisted that war upon this nation and moreover, how can anyone claim to be a conservative and continue to argue over the southern causes for the civil war and its issues.


20 posted on 08/12/2020 2:47:03 PM PDT by crz
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As with everything, it is complex. But no, the abolitionist movement contained many God-fearing Christians who cared deeply about the slaves, and their education, and their transition to earning wages, etc.

The movement also contained many freethinkers and socialists and other radicals...but many of them “cared for” the slaves in their own way, as well.

All of the factors you mention can be found, of course, as we would expect.

But no, it’s not correct that abolitionists didn’t care.

It would also be incorrect to say that all Southern slave owners didn’t care. As with everything, it is complex.

The frustrating part about this idiotic monument tear down movement is that it does nothing to advance humane understanding of well, the human condition. It does nothing to memorialize the heroic fight for freedom among slaves who never really went along with the whole thing, and who when freed, handled themselves magnificently in very difficult circumstances. And it certainly doesn’t respect the nuances of opinions among “slave owners” like George Washington...and yes, even Jefferson.

As well as the nuances of men like Lincoln. And others, for example, Sam Houston....


21 posted on 08/12/2020 2:47:43 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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This is a pressing question for a Canadian, why?


22 posted on 08/12/2020 2:50:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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You attended Canadian public school eh?

Please go and do some actual historical research - you didn’t get any real info.


26 posted on 08/12/2020 2:53:08 PM PDT by datura
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You do realize how the poor white farmers were viewed by the oligarchy southern aristocrats do you not?

They were viewed as white trash worthy as cannon fodder.

Take a long look at the confederate congresses declarations allowing the aristocrats to be able to get out of fighting for their own cause.

Typical of democrat cowardly lying scum.


27 posted on 08/12/2020 2:53:10 PM PDT by crz
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Except you’re completely wrong. There was a deep “radical” abolitionist segment in the republican party, which considered it their religious moral duty to free the slaves.

Others in the North wanted to end the rebellion.

Your attempt to make up reasons from your own mind has nothing to do with historic reality.


28 posted on 08/12/2020 2:53:33 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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Adding: at least two Christian denominations split off from the parent denominations due to opposition to slavery.

One of those denominations founded Hillsdale College: Freewill Baptists and the other was The Wesleyan Church from the Methodists. There were probably more such splinters.

Not economic reasons, in other words


29 posted on 08/12/2020 2:54:31 PM PDT by madison10
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You’re a dunce, and likely another one of the many moronic marxist democrats that tries to infiltrate and cause hate and discontent amongst Conservatives and Deplorables. We can spot you moron’s a mile away.


30 posted on 08/12/2020 2:54:55 PM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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