Posted on 06/07/2020 10:51:38 PM PDT by Jonty30
I'm a security guard. My experience is that 90%+ people will comply to my request to move on if I confront them. I never have to do much beyond taking to people to achieve compliance. I'm not allowed to touch anybody. If, however, I've done everything I can, I have the option of calling the police. It is just unnecessary 90%+ of the time.
So, I'm thinking that, because does not have the option of backing down or avoiding the physicality of an encounter, that for minor problems whether cops should be called at all, exceptions being reasonable concern about violence or absolute disregard to moving on.
well, I’d say if you’re guarding Macy’s in a well-lighted area and it’s 9pm and only a few guys around, you’ll probably be ok.
until the cars roll in with these guys, who are All armed and who want to loot Macys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJvgozge0Q&feature=youtu.be
And cops are 27 minutes away.
We could ask David Dorn?
Maybe not all areas need to be policed. Let them rot.
I just read in “Second City Cop” that the Minneapolis City Council has voted to disband their police department - looks like we get to watch ‘Little Mogadishu’ turn into ‘Big Mogadishu’!
I remember a “white Hispanic” doing this a few years ago.
It did not satisfy the radical Left.
Sounds great in a wealthy area where reasonable people listen to you. But I do not see it working in a poor ghetto where it is might makes right, and street gangs and drug dealers on a corner need to be run off by bigger, badder government people who will shoot them if they have to, or a crazy homeless guy is on every corner threatening people with a machete. To say nothing of the fact you want a surge capacity of cops for things like these riots.
Now if you wanted to propose deputizing you, so you could use force and shoot if need be, that is fine, but it seems like what we already have.
What the left is working toward here is hiring private security forces they will control fully, and which they will probably link up with the private intelligence operations they already run (which the cops don’t like but are forced to bow down before), to form a unified tool of total control.
Getting rid of cops is a far worse thing than anyone realizes, and I am sure a lot of people already think it is very, very bad. But it will be much, much worse if it is allowed to happen.
I used to live and work in a large city. Even with a large police force, so many violent crimes were committed that 911 didn’t send the police for the other crimes. For most calls, 911 took your report over the phone and didn’t dispatch anyone.
So, already, in high-crime areas, police don’t do anything about most of the crime committed. Now imagine what would happen with even fewer police officers.
He’s Lasky, the security guard from National Lampoon.
“Sorry folks, park’s closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.”
Seriously, security guards would first get laughed at, then murdered if they tried to intervene in the regular goings on in a lot of neighborhoods.
I was recently in a state government building which had a rent-a-cop. Concealed carry was allowed, weapons allowed. The sign on the door asked as a courtesy that we not bring weapons in. Not as a requirement. Yet the rent-a-cop spotted my knife, the clip was on the outside of the pocket. He demanded, yes, demanded that I turn it over or remove it from the facility. I pointed to the sign, he said that didn't matter as he was told to not allow any in. Never noticed my concealed carry. Anyway, he was completely wrong, violated my rights, and state law. I asked for a manager, who deferred to the rent-a-cop since he was supplied by a state agency. I got their contact info, contacted them, well got voice mail. After several days of persistance, got someone on the phone that played stupid about the whole thing--not even admitting it was some of their contract rent-a-cops. Really frustrating. Real cops would not have left me in this predictment.
So, no to rent-a-cops when we should have real cops.
Unarmed security is a different kind of authority, but authority non the less.
This option would fail miserably in most large cities where a high percentage do not respect authority of most kinds. Example, how do they treat the authority of teachers within the setting of a classroom?
The only way it works is if the people respect authority.
The people who don't, will run over anyone in their way.
...and armed or unarmed? What good is an unarmed rent-a-cop or a real cop? Personally, we need full constitutional carry so we are not dependent on either. Cops have no obligation to respond and rent-a-cops are monitors at best, likely under instructions to not respond. Useless. And if you left your defense to them, you’ll be dead and they will probably muck up the crime scene around your dead body so that the real cops and investigators won’t be able to find your killer.
> Now imagine what would happen with even fewer police officers. <
Good point. City security guards (or whatever you want to call them) would probably be paid less than police officers. So with a limited budget, would you’d rather hire three security guards or two police officers?
I’d go with the two police officers, as I’m guessing you would too. The two police officers would be much more versatile. You could send them anywhere.
Security guards are usually employed in largely civilized environments, where the miscreant is the rare exception. Put Paul Blart in East LA, Bedford-Stuyvesant or Englewood, and I’m not so sure that’s going to work out too well.
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lol
Yes but true.
Security gaurds will still have to use force or, well, DIE.
You are a civilian. end of story
“The problem is the people that want to cause these kinds of problems are not your normal law abiding citizen.”
Yes, the correlation is non-existant.
And the final sentence of your post is spot-on. So what’s the OP’s motivation?
Best Dirty Harry Quotes:
https://youtu.be/Ze1xp9hYDl4
Green Lantern Fail:
https://youtu.be/L0dLSwW-QgU
Being a security guard only works because the guard can call 911 like everyone else.
The 911 call represents as many police officers as necessary to handle the situation, including SWAT teams.
What happens when you dial 911 and no one answers? You’re on your own.
The potential for corruption is huge. Most of us just ignore screwity gaurds.
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