Posted on 04/25/2020 4:04:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon
New Thrtead, starting 4/25/2020
serious post alert.
I believe it was altered in a lab.
I believe it got out but not on purpose.
I believe the response in China showed even they did not know what it would do if widespread.
I believe they knew that they didnt have a cure or a good method to stop it, so they allowed it to go world wide so that the combined efforts of all doctors would treat it and make the best efforts to fight it together.
I believe they soon saw that it was not the killer we feared, but continued the response as a test of the system, like a war game, to see what response times would be in all walks of society if a real bad virus ever got loose.
I believe leftists saw a Star Trek level event taking place where they could Cloward/Piven the death out of this thing by not letting a good crisis go to waste and use this to create a greater panic to push socialism on countries and yes, the United States.
I believe Trump and his advisors are seeing this, yet, in order to have accurate data on the war game side of this; ie, the response times of manufacturing and health care and societal interaction, he is allowing it to go on until an agreed up date is reached. This accumulated data will be used in planning for when China or any other bad actor releases something that is a real killer. This cannot be revealed to the public as such because of backlash for it would reveal us as guinea pigs despite the need for such data in strategic planning.
The democrats see such an opening to ruin the economy, force everyone to be reliant upon government handouts that they can barely contain themselves to have this handed to them, knowing that Trump cannot just come out and reveal this is just a test at this point.
The destruction of small businesses is catastrophic at this point with maybe as many as 75% of them unable to recover from this. The reduced profits of larger businesses is going to be catastrophic, also, yet they sell so many products made in China and we have no ready to replace domestic manufacturing that is “shovel ready” to replace foreign manufacturing. We will be stuck buying from China and India for a decade until domestic manufacturing can pick up the slack.
The reliance upon government is unavoidable now, for if there are fewer jobs needed because of fewer orders from downstream clients, there will not be orders to keep companies operating at previous levels. Everyone wants a bail out, and a second one and a third and also...health insurance.
Single Payer health insurance, using existing doctors and hospitals, who will be forced to accept the amount the government will insist their work is worth despite last year’s worth of their service. Their worth of service will only be what the government says it is. If they dont like it, they wont get to perform service, they will be forced to do service at the government rate or have no services to do at all.
I do not think I am way of of line here, the logical progression of the evil left knows no bounds, and has no limits.
Another success story:
Successful recovery of COVID-19 pneumonia in a patient from Colombia after receiving chloroquine and clarithromycin.
Millán-Oñate J1,2, Millan W3, Mendoza LA3, Sánchez CG3, Fernandez-Suarez H4, Bonilla-Aldana DK2,5,6, Rodríguez-Morales AJ7,8,9.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
COVID-19 pandemics is a challenge for public health and infectious diseases clinicians, especially for the therapeutical approach that is not yet adequately defined. Amid this situation, investigational agents are being used, including chloroquine. We report here the clinical features and therapeutic course of the first reported patient with confirmed COVID-19 pneumonia that recovered in Colombia, after the use of chloroquine and clarithromycin.
CASE PRESENTATION:
A 34-year-old male, returning from Spain, presented with complaints of fever, and cough, and class-II obesity, being hospitalized. The respiratory viruses and bacteria tested by FilmArray® PCR were negative. Two days later, clarithromycin was started because the patient was suspected as community-acquired pneumonia. At the third day, the rRT-PCR confirmed the SARS-CoV-2 infection. A day later, chloroquine was started because of that. His chest computed tomography was performed and showed bilateral multifocal ground-glass opacities with consolidation, which suggested viral pneumonia as a differential diagnosis. Progressively his clinical condition improved and at day 9, patient rRT-PCR for SARS-CoV-2 became negative. The patient was discharged and isolated at home per 14 days.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our patient improved significantly. This and other COVID-19 cases are urgently demanding results from clinical trials that support evidence-based therapeutical approaches to this pandemic and the clinical management of patients, especially those at critical care
https://ann-clinmicrob.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12941-020-00358-y
In college, I used to meet up with an official sent to the US to study. He was from Ecuador. He even brought his fanily up at one point. Was a nice guy. I’ve lost touch now.
It is natural to focus on the effects here at home, but I am very interested to find out what is really happening in China.
Do they have this thing under control?
If not, what do the hospitals look like around the country?
If so, how did they do it?
Simple questions—very hard to find credible answers.
One great comment I saw on another site (reworded):
We have two crises in play:
—The Virus
—Epistemology (nobody can agree on any sets of “facts”)
I want to know morbidity for those under 65.
They largely don’t die. But are they left seriously ill long term?
Nobody wants to talk about that, they focus on ‘mortality’ as if that’s the only thing of concern.
and another variation—two kinds of people:
Flexible—Their views can change based on new data
Dogmatic—Their views will remain the same regardless of new data. When faced with data that opposes their views they will claim a conspiracy to lie to them or the data has been cooked.
If the latter part of that were true, China wouldn’t be locking down cities for the 2nd wave.
You’d think if it were a nothingburger, China would have figured this out first and would let it ‘just go’.
I think it has long term effects that aren’t being discussed. Sterility in males being one of them.
Maryland "Freak State" PING to #222.
In other news, to avoid disease spread in overcrowded jails, Singapore will simply cane the crap out of people for any offense, then let them go home.
If it is true that people are allowed to stay home simply because they are afraid that they might get coronavirus and then they can claim unemployment benefits, we might see many places like a chicken processing plant closing. Some people would rather stay home with unemployment, sometimes making more than they made while they were working, especially if they have an unpleasant job. Extending unemployment to people who have not even been exposed to someone with coronavirus, but are just worried about getting coronavirus, may turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes.
I was quoting Raebie’s post.
“If India is home to 12% of the worlds smokers, but 17% of the worlds population, smoking is *not* the reason they have such a low death rate. I would first suspect a reporting problem, like most of the world.”
I think we will see a lot reporting problems in in many third world countries.
The news is reporting Ecuador is being hit hard with lots of deaths. The Worldometer is only showing 576 deaths. BNO showing 507.
Like past outbreaks we will not know the true numbers for a couple of years. Even those numbers will be debated.
“The highest death toll in the 21st century has been measured in Sweden”
The highest death rate since the turn of the millennium has been measured in Sweden. A total of 2,505 people died during the week 15 - 358 people per day.
In Stockholm, twice as many died in April this year than the average in 2015-2019.
During Easter week, the highest number of people died during the 2000s, according to Sweden’s preliminary statistics on deaths in Sweden.
The second deadliest week was week 1 in 2000, when 2,364 people died.
In place three and four are week 14 and week 16 this year, with 2,354 and 2,310 dead - which means that three of four of the deadliest weeks in 20 years will be found in April 2020.
The preliminary statistics on the dead have been produced to give a quicker picture of the development during the corona eruption, they write in a press release.
- It is important to clearly state that these are preliminary statistics and that the death toll will be revised upward in the last few weeks, says Tomas Johansson.
In Stockholm County, death rates during week 14-16 are twice as high as the average weeks over the past four years.
The municipality with the highest measured excess mortality during the period March 21-April 20 is Sundbyberg.
- Both in Sundbyberg and Borlänge, more than three times more people died in 2020 than the average for the years 20152019, says Tomas Johansson.
Another six counties have had death rates that were at least 50 percent higher than the weekly averages in 20152019 during at least one of these weeks.
These are Uppsala, Södermanland, Östergötland, Gotland, Västmanland and Dalarna.
State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell commented on the death toll during Friday’s press conference.
Then he said it was “clear” that more people were dying in covid-19 than during a regular flu season.
In Stockholm County, death rates during weeks 14-16 are twice as high as the average weeks over the past four years.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/2000-talets-hogsta-dodstal-har-uppmatts/
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/g8x8os/the_highest_death_toll_in_the_21st_century_has/
“Singapore races to build beds for COVID-19 patients as cases surge”
Was it just a couple weeks ago their was discussion on how Singapore was not being infected.
Just look up Singapore climate type, it is listed as tropical..
“The Bearer of Good Coronavirus News - Stanford scientist John Ioannidis finds himself under attack for questioning the prevailing wisdom about lockdowns”
- see https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bearer-of-good-coronavirus-news-11587746176
“But are they left seriously ill long term?”
I have read about lung damage. I have not see any official study documenting this. That would be important for decision makers to know.
Kidney damage as well. I suspect it’s the ongoing organ damage issues that freaked out the chicoms.
Singapore relaxed their controls. Now they have the second wave.
We will too.
Heart damage was another one.
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