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Corona Virus Daily Thread #48 COVID-19 4/25/2020
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Posted on 04/25/2020 4:04:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon

New Thrtead, starting 4/25/2020


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Reference; Science
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; covid19; epidemic; pandemic
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“Strategies to reduce COVID-19 transmission at the Smithfield Foods Sioux Falls Pork Plan”

- see https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6876342/Smithfield-CDC-report.pdf


201 posted on 04/26/2020 2:44:15 PM PDT by Fury
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To: blueplum

Some of them are, perhaps, and some of them aren’t. Why stick them into a forced roommate environment with a stranger who can be bringing all sorts of crap from the outside world into their home and could be spreader himself? It’s not logical. It’s evil, devised by those who don’t live alone.

The whole “asymptomatic spreader” thing is like a zombie movie. Just test them if you’re so afraid they exist. You don’t have to send another possibly virus-covered human to live with them. It’s phobogenic. We have enough real fears without hypothesizing and creating new ones.


202 posted on 04/26/2020 2:47:56 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“I thought the shutdown measures were actually prudent to do initially, when we knew less about this virus, but they really should have been done on a county-by-county basis, unless 3/4* of counties were affected — THEN shut the state down.”

Then people would be saying “why my county?” It would be all the same problems but in a more complicated environment. And most people are not reasonable or responsible all the time.

Shutting the whole state - in any case where there is significant infection - is much less of a nightmare.

Clearing the field reduces the chaos. It allows a more orderly restart.


203 posted on 04/26/2020 2:49:34 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: All; Vermont Lt; BobL; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; Tilted Irish Kilt; Jane Long; LilFarmer; ...
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PING!

204 posted on 04/26/2020 3:31:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Wu Flu! (when I feel heavy metal) Wu Flu! (when I'm pins and I'm needles) Wu Flu!)
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To: calenel
there is no vast hidden herd of already infected that somehow survived and gained immunity without being detected.

The "secret herd of already infected and gained immunity" has become a new religion in many corners around FR.

It is very impolite to point out they are living in fantasy world. ;-)

They would do far better to accept the "bad news" and argue for renewing economic activity with masks.

That is a win/win scenario that does not rely on a bucket-full of lies as its ideology.
205 posted on 04/26/2020 3:41:41 PM PDT by cgbg (New poll: post elderly voters like Biden's experience as Wilson's VP fighting the Spanish Flu.)
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To: Raebie

“There are approximately 120 million smokers in India. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), India is home to 12% of the world’s smokers. More than 10 million die each year due to tobacco in India. According to a 2002 WHO estimate, 70% of adult males in India smoke.”

If India is home to 12% of the world’s smokers, but 17% of the world’s population, smoking is *not* the reason they have such a low death rate. I would first suspect a reporting problem, like most of the world.


206 posted on 04/26/2020 3:54:52 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: All

Some good news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-us-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX


207 posted on 04/26/2020 4:38:50 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: firebrand

I don’t know where you got, ‘forced roommate’. It wasn’t in my original post.

You don’t lock up all dogs because a parvo dog is running free. It’s not the dog’s fault he has parvo that’s shedding all over the sidewalk, but you find that dog, and you separate that dog, until that dog is treated and disease-free.

Similarly, you target-test for asymptomatics, focusing now on the single, living alone.

We have already found the asymptomatics that were quarantined for these past 30-45 days *with* their families/roomies. Those would have infected a family member/roomie during those 30-45 days, and so outed themselves as the only ‘contact’ of the infected.

That leaves the asyies that live alone, no roomies, who have no ‘tell’. If they test positive, you quarantine them - at their own home where they live alone - nobody’s hauling them off to the gulag or forcing them into barracks with strangers. I don’t know where you got that. As you say, maybe some are contageous and some aren’t. But the only way to find that out is to test them - because they do live alone.

You seem to be arguing the position that the recovered/questionable immunity and the never infected (handicapped and seniors who built the modern world) should continue to be quarantined ‘for their own good’, now going on 60 days plus for some, with more quarantining to come in the fall. And if they get infected by a contagious asymptomatic running free, well, it’s their own fault for leaving their home.

That is the Princess Cruise method - of allowing asymptomatic crew members free run, while the uninfected passengers were locked in their rooms, repeatedly exposed to the asymptomatic room service until they were infected, too. That is cruel and evil and crazy and counterintuitive. The whole goal is to find and eliminate sources of infection, not allow its spread it.


208 posted on 04/26/2020 4:50:13 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: RaceBannon
The coming meat shortage - how to beat it

Local Facebook ad, West Virginia, hog farmer, his butcher shut down. Has 2000, 300 lb. hogs ready for slaughter. $75 each.

Go local. Be quick.

How much meat can you get with a 300 lb.hog? This video explains that.

See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z8-iXejQHmk

209 posted on 04/26/2020 5:12:45 PM PDT by Badboo (Why it is important)
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To: blueplum
maybe we should be testing for asymptomatics, starting with single, live alone, and quarantining them with volunteers as a study group

How did I misinterpret this insane idea?

210 posted on 04/26/2020 5:12:52 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Badboo

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1254534967964680192/photo/1


211 posted on 04/26/2020 5:16:10 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: firebrand

And how are we allowing people who live alone “free run”? Did I misinterpret the guidelines? We are quietly following the recommendations of our elected leaders.


212 posted on 04/26/2020 5:17:31 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Badboo

So for 75 bucks you can get a 300 pound hog. But you gotta process it your self or find a butcher.


213 posted on 04/26/2020 5:22:02 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #gin&tonic #godwins)
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To: cgbg
They would do far better to accept the "bad news" and argue for renewing economic activity with masks.

That is a win/win scenario that does not rely on a bucket-full of lies as its ideology.


Excellent point. The bros should be spending time on proper mask wearing and procurement instead of pounding the keyboards with non-stop unsubstantiated claims of "secret weapons", mythical population asymptomatic infection and hidden immunities. The "Stanford Study" was shredded, but not before it circled the globe as a fundamental truth.

A couple of certainties at this point are the virus is novel, it is not going away, China unleashed a bioweapon, the world economy will be in the greatest depression, supply chains are broken, there is no magic vaccine and life is going to be quite different for the next 10 years.

A very interesting interview with the head of the German public health response: Germany's Covid-19 expert: 'For many, I'm the evil guy crippling the economy'.

The future will be much grimmer if it is not responded to in actions based in reality versus emotional fiction.
214 posted on 04/26/2020 5:29:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: DEPcom

I wonder if they do antibodies test on the Flu to determine the true infection rate.


215 posted on 04/26/2020 5:47:46 PM PDT by DEPcom (To be or not to be?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

https://creepingsharia.tumblr.com/post/616311806525423616/new-york-de-blasio-using-taxpayer-to-serve

DeBlasio is using money from the gov to feed muslims
last week he threatened to close churches and now he is feeding muslims during ramadan


216 posted on 04/26/2020 5:55:51 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Will88
Nope, but if it doesn't specifically say its light is in the UV-C spectrum, it isn't and should be disregarded. It uses some weasel words about UV-C which won't hold up in court.

THE major problem with UV-C sterilizers is their danger to human vision, which is why they are not used to sterilize rooms, at least not for items sold to the general public. The disclaimer in the product you mention is generic and does not establish that it uses UV-C light. I suspect the FTC will order Amazon to take down this product for misleading the public AND for being a threat to public health, once the FTC notices it.

The bag-type small UV-C sterilizer I got from Amazon is no longer available. Here is another one from Amazon which might be suitable, but I haven't checked it out to see if it is.

https://www.amazon.com/HoMedics-UV-Clean-Sanitizer-Multi-Use-Functionality/dp/B07ZQKVBPP/ref=sr_1_15?crid=2SLAW4SJ5UT55&dchild=1&keywords=uv-c+light+sterilizer&qid=1587948570&sprefix=UV-C+%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-15

I really recommend against use of UV-C light for home purposes, unless it comes in a sealed unit for actual use, like a bag or a box. That means NO exposed light source, and not at all useable for sterilizing rooms. Leave that to professionals.

217 posted on 04/26/2020 6:00:06 PM PDT by Thud
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To: CJ Wolf
Yep, not too bad if you know what you’re doing. I process deer every fall. My son, who has worked as a butcher, says he can do a hog in thirty minutes. I know he can do a deer in 15 mins and that’s wrapped.

Bad time of year though for home butchering. The Amish like to do their hogs in Nov. - Dec.

Anyways it seems like there may be no pork, beef or chicken to find at all within two weeks. Seafood will skyrocket. And if herd/ flocks have to be slaughtered for lack of processors, feeder stocks won’t be bought and the shortage will last a very long time, prices changes will be wild.

218 posted on 04/26/2020 6:21:27 PM PDT by Badboo (Why it is important)
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To: Will88

https://youtu.be/fRszw2FV0Jg


219 posted on 04/26/2020 6:24:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Black Agnes

Jennifer Zeng
@jenniferatntd
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Another Big Wave in #Guangzhou
At “Villages in Town” area, Tianhe District, in Guangzhou City, #Guangdong Province. It seems the situation is very serious there, with hundreds of people in PPE arriving.
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https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1254446202017525763


220 posted on 04/26/2020 6:30:48 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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