Posted on 04/03/2020 12:20:03 PM PDT by captain_dave
I am very concerned that the panic is already worse than the disease, and that we are now only hurting ourselves by continuing this exercise in mass hysteria.
A solution to the Wuhan Flu (aka: Corvid19) is available. We can use the hydroxychloroquine protocol (HCQ). A vaccine is beginning to be tested in Israel. And now the University of Pittsburgh has a potential solution: HotAir story, "We might already have a vaccine -- and a safer delivery method, too" (Link: https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/03/university-pittsburgh-might-already-vaccine-safer-delivery-method/)
I believe President Trump's initial response was correct. China's reaction to the outbreak with its quarantine of Hebei Province could have indicated a release of a biological agent. However, now we are seeing the Wuhan Flu for what it is: a serious seasonal flu.
The problem we have now is the world is in panic. Irrational decisions are being made in the name of safety, which are causing hardship. The supply chains are being broken. Now, the spector of hunger is starting to visit. This is very dangerous. I don't doubt there are some who rejoice in our panicked self destruction. We're making it easier for them to seize control.
What is needed now is to treat Wuhan Flu cases with HCQ and get our wounded economy back to work before empty wallets and empty shelves result in hunger and riots. We are at a critical decision moment: do we return to America or do we become Venezuela?
But if this lasts deep into May and the foot of government stays on the neck of business, the panic will absolutely be worse than the disease.
They should look at opening the country back up, county by county.
If the country stay shut down until June 1, we are going to be in a deep recession and/or depression that will take two years to recover.
I’d like to know why a vaccine can be developed for this virus and all is mutations and one cannot for the regular influenza strain? Anybody?
Yes you can. I’m just wondering why he thought he should. Not like an uncommon notion was expressed.
Uhhhhhhh...Maybe because he wanted to????
“why a vaccine can be developed for this virus and all is mutations and one cannot for the regular influenza strain?”
This virus is a known entity. We have samples to work with and design a vaccine against. Unfortunately, while it may be accurate it also comes too late for many/most.
Flu vaccines are created ahead of time, predicting what the season’s virus will probably be. This allows production and distribution and effect before the actual flu virus rips thru society. Unfortunately, the prediction is often incorrect and the vaccine supplied doesn’t work.
After general infection vs before general infection; known target vs predicted target.
“You value you money over lives! Disgusting!”
/sarcasm
I’m fed up with it all. The lefty idiots are complaining on the one hand that they were fired from their jobs but on the other hand they’re complaining that we want to get back to work. There’s no making them happy.
“Vanities” have long been frowned on at FR, discouraged unless they are unusually insightful/novel/inquisitive. Growing weary of relentless repackaging of demonstrably inadequate opinions on the subject, I snapped when seeing someone promote such a post as its own timeline-occupying thread, still devoid of significant meaning.
It’s Friday...TGIF
Go outside, listen to your favorite music and have a drink or two.
“Good, good, good...good libations”
Personally, I think that Matt Bracken’s professional take is as close to the answer as one could have. He says that this virus was instigated by China, and in fact they are preparing for the second wave, “Covid-20,” and has essentially saying that China plans on winning the Pandemic World War. It’s a great half hour of fact-based analysis. https://banned.video/watch?id=5e867179a5d5f100401de144
Quarantining of the sick and all incoming travelers works. It’s worked for centuries. Testing and contact-tracing makes that strategy work even better. And South Korea has shown better than anybody how a government can execute that testing and contact-tracing in the modern era to be very effective, including use of cell phone location data to track where an infected person has been and test others in that area. And, yes, quarantined infected people do not and should not have the same rights as everyone else to their freedom of movement or privacy.
There is no reason to quarantine the healthy or the entire population. Enforcing it is an absurd waste of resources. And it’s an incredible drain on an economy that turns a health crisis into an economic crisis unnecessarily.
This is a sign of a coddled people, a people cowed by fear, a people who are unwilling to assume any risks or sacrifice for the greater good of their country.
It’s also an attack on basic freedoms. The government should put all the advice and recommendations it can to tell people how to protect themselves. It has done that for centuries. But when it starts forcing everyone to follow them, it turns into a nanny police state on an unprecedented level.
This “chain logic” has been increasingly used to justify police state tactics in health care for decades now. We have heard so often arguments such as that sodas or junk food should be banned because in the long-term it will reduce health care costs or something like that. The argument puts a collective “system” above individual freedom. By this logic, you can start reducing individual freedoms across the board if it will somehow benefit the collective even decades later. It is the road to central planning and state control of every aspect of our lives.
What we’re seeing now is not a standard government reaction to a pandemic as they have done for centuries. Nor is it something new that was just thought of because this virus somehow demands it. What we are seeing is the logical next step in a society that has been putting the state of the “health care system” above individual rights more and more in the modern era. That is why we were told our “health care system” would buckle if we didn’t do these things. The same exact thing we heard when it came to banning sodas and other things. They are dictating to the public in ways they never would’ve a hundred years ago because of a very modern, very dangerous theory about collectivism vs. individuality whose origins have nothing to do with this virus.
ABC just mentioned in an article about polio that the vaccine still itself sometimes causes outbreaks of the disease. So another one to refer to when people try to claim vaccines are harmless and no sensible person should be skeptical of them.
Trump should announce he is handing the whole affair over to Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff.
It seems that not everyone has the same opinion as you when it comes to vanity threads...
If threads such as this bothers you so deeply, why do you even open them?
Scared straight.
What people have issue with are not the suggestions from the feds, but the enforcement of these suggestions with the force of law at the state level of many states. There is a massive difference between a suggestion and a law. There is nothing trivial about that. The government can suggest I eat more vegetables every day. But when they start arresting me for buying a candy bar, we are in a totally different world.
Agreed!!
I agree, but many areas are extending the quarantine into the end of May! Its insanity and its going to destroy the country if we can’t get back to work.. I hate seeing so many small businesses going under.
It depends upon where you are. In NYC, a notable portion of the populace is still not taking it seriously enough - especially through last week.
Out in the ‘hinter-lands’, there’s a lot of wild paranoia - still mixed with a sizeable number not taking it seriously enough and wasting all of the sacrifice of their neighbors.
Certainly the panic has revealed which Freepers have a commitment to freedom and the constitution which is tenuous at best.
Good point.
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