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Any labor experts here?

Posted on 04/01/2020 7:10:47 PM PDT by LouAvul

Hypothetical. An employee is paid every two weeks. He worked for two weeks before his first paycheck. His checks are always two weeks in arrears.

His employer tells him his (the employee's) hours are getting cut in half and that his salary will be halved accordingly.

However, the following paycheck followed two weeks of full time work. The employee is owed a full paycheck since he hasn't even started working part time yet.

Is this illegal? Can the employer simply take the employee's legally earned wages?


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1 posted on 04/01/2020 7:10:47 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

I should have pointed out that the employee got a half salary check when he was owed a full check. He got a half check before he even started working part time.


2 posted on 04/01/2020 7:12:55 PM PDT by LouAvul ("Little by little, the look of the country changes because of the men we admire.")
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To: LouAvul

Why a hypothetical question?


3 posted on 04/01/2020 7:13:22 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: LouAvul

I knew a lady had eight kids, but she passed awhile back.


4 posted on 04/01/2020 7:15:41 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees)
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To: LouAvul

Tell the employer there was a mistake


5 posted on 04/01/2020 7:16:15 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Make liberals cry again)
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To: LouAvul

If you can wait until tomorrow I’ll ask my wife. She’s sleeping now.


6 posted on 04/01/2020 7:16:33 PM PDT by ocrp1982 (ll)
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To: LouAvul

There are differences in labor law by state but if a man worked the hours he should be paid for the hours


7 posted on 04/01/2020 7:16:45 PM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. IOr keep people from / PC ing in ver and alway)
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To: LouAvul

Check with the “Going Postal” experts.


8 posted on 04/01/2020 7:17:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: LouAvul
The pay stub will show the period covered and the total hours worked.

If the total hours worked is 80, then the paycheck has to reflect 80 hours of wages.

(The answer to your question lies in the pay statement.)

9 posted on 04/01/2020 7:17:33 PM PDT by Captain Walker
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To: LouAvul

Employers have to pay workers for the time they worked. They can not retroactively reduce the pay or waive away hours worked. The state department of labor would be the proper place to lodge a complaint and even in the middle of shutdowns, they will take immediate action.

Additionally, they face heavy penalties for doing so, plus additional penalties for intentionally under-reporting wages to evade taxes on wages.

I’d simply assume that a mistake was made, notify the employer, and assume they’ll have makeup checks issued within a day or so... If they’re not complete and utter morons.


10 posted on 04/01/2020 7:20:22 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: LouAvul
If it were legal, every commie manager in the USA would be doing it.

Even if it was illegal, and they regularly, or even sometimes got away with it, they would be doing it.

Obviously it is illegal. The employee may have to get some DOL help, but they should win.

11 posted on 04/01/2020 7:20:26 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: LouAvul

Okay, you didn’t bite on my “Labor” lame joke so, I’ll answer your “hypothetical”.
Very often when a week or two is initially withheld it is withheld as a final paycheck that is paid out when the employee is let go. Or, in the highly unlikely scenario that the employee works there long enough to retire (highly unlikely these days) it is paid then.
Under this scenario, the employee will not see that pay period until one of those two events occurs. The pay they will receive is the pay they earn post the withheld week or two.


12 posted on 04/01/2020 7:29:19 PM PDT by ocrp1982 (ll)
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To: LouAvul

In NC it matters alot if you are a wage employee by the hour and punch a time clock. But you used the word salary. Salaried employees have different rules.


13 posted on 04/01/2020 7:29:52 PM PDT by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: LouAvul

Is this really just a “hypothetical” as you say,
or are you “cough (asking for a friend) cough”?


14 posted on 04/01/2020 7:32:01 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: LouAvul
In general, unpaid wages and salaries take precedent over everything except unpaid taxes. Laws vary slightly from state to state, but generally the government writes laws to protect their tax payments first. Workers are next in line.

When I worked in California back in the 1980s, wages had to be issued the same day you terminated an employee. There was a daily penalty added if you were going to write and mail the check later. We even had an employee bounce a check on the company. Even the amount of the check could not be withheld from the final wage check.

Pennsylvania is the other extreme. You can terminate an employee for looking at you cross-eyed after a single written warning. The last check goes out with the regular pay cycle. But it still has to go out. It is also why we also pay among the highest unemployment checks in the nation.

15 posted on 04/01/2020 7:43:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: LouAvul

Simple contract law says you had a contract for a specific amount of pay and the employee performs his part the employer has to compensate according to the contract.


16 posted on 04/01/2020 7:44:18 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: LouAvul
So basically, instead of being two weeks in arrears, his paycheck is now three weeks in arrears. I don't believe that would be legal unless he had agreed to that decision when he was hired. If he's a Union member, he should file a grievance with his Union rep. If not, he should still be able to file a complaint with the State Labor Department, depending on what State he lives in. In New York State, it's the NY State Department of Labor Relations. Or he can contact his county legislator to begin with, then move up to State and Federal if he doesn't get satisfaction.

I worked for NY State, and they held back two weeks before we received a paycheck, which meant I had to wait a month before I got my first check. That two weeks they held was supposed to be given us at our retirement, based on the salary we were making when we retired not on the salary we made when we originally earned it.

When Mario Cuomo was Governor, he attempted to force us to work another week without pay, and that third week would be added to the two, and it would be given to us when we retired...that is, if you were lucky enough to live to retire. The Union put up a big stink, and he backed down.

17 posted on 04/01/2020 8:25:23 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: ocrp1982

This should be detailed in an Employee Handbook or some such material provided upon hiring each employee.


18 posted on 04/01/2020 8:27:19 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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You are correct. This is explained to an employee prior to the employee agreeing to the terms of employment. With smaller companies there might not be an “Employee Handbook” (small companies cannot afford to waste money compiling such things) but, nonetheless, it is usually a point of discussion prior to an employment contract.


19 posted on 04/01/2020 8:37:09 PM PDT by ocrp1982 (ll)
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To: LouAvul

80 hours work equals 80 hours pay. Period.


20 posted on 04/01/2020 9:42:53 PM PDT by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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