Posted on 03/24/2020 2:19:32 PM PDT by real saxophonist
President Donald Trump was featured in a Fox News Town Hall on the White House lawn about the CCP Virus alongside Vice President Mike Pence, Surgeon General Jerome Adams and White House Virus Task Force response coordinator Deborah Birx. It was hosted by Bill Hemmer and Harris Faulker who was able to teleconference in.
Trump's overall message in this town hall, maybe against the wishes of those around him, is for Americans to get back to work as soon as possible.
People are tired of the shutdown of our great country in the United States of America. They feel like prisoners in their own homes. They can't work to provide the basic needs of their household. All because of government mandate and/or suggestion that their employees/patrons are following.
Trump understands the aforementioned and also that this cannot continue. The damage done by trying to avoid the virus may, in the end, be worse than the virus itself. It is time to get back to work.
That is not a true statement. Yes, the 2M+ statistic is correct. It is from the Imperial College of London study. But that is not an optimistic estimate. That is the estimate in the absence of ANY lockdown, mitigation or amelioration of the spread. So it is in fact a worst case scenario. Again, to repeat - that number 2M+ is the worst case scenario if we did nothing. We are not doing nothing. We are doing a lot, for 3+ weeks.
“...don’t expect everyone to have the same opinion as you.
That’s what USED TO make FR great. I’m kinda wondering nowadays, though.”
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I hear you, Mister NOUVEAU NEVER TRUMPER.
He should run for President.
****So, all this talk of total despondency and personal financial ruin is somewhat hard to see as likely.****
Fortunately for us there is President Trump right now speaking to mitigate this.
This may play out as a loss that was overcome with a huge victory.
Yes, the ICL study did say 2M+ is worst case.
There are other studies (eg: Lipstich from Harvard) that project 40-70% infection. And the WHO that predicts 66% worldwide infection.
From there, it’s simple math. Add Fauci’s 15-20, “20-something” hospitalization estimate. And 5% ICU estimate.
NY is already seeing 20+% hospitalizations and their ICUs are quickly becoming overloaded. And Cuomo said this AM that they expect to hit peak (yet) in 14-21 days.
There are other estimate in line with Harvard’s, including Angela Merkel telling her Parliament that she expects 80+% of ALL Germans to be infected.
The numbers are mostly consistent across all major estimates. But if someone has different estimates, by all means - please share them.
You are not being rational.
700 people have died (out of 330 million) in the US in three months from CV.
In that same time, around 13,000 have died (in the US) from the common flu.
How do we catch the common flu? From other people!
Why have we not shut down the economy for the flu?
The suicide rate skyrocketed under Obama because people had no economic hope, you idiot.
Trump is balancing things, as he should.
You, on the other hand, are an obvious low-IQ troll.
You’re not even worth laughing it.
“You CANNOT prioritize the economy over American lives”
The President is getting the best Intelligence, distilled up through the whole Intelligence Community of the USA - which is naturally now focused on the Corona Virus.
Bottom Line: He likely has very good, well informed reasons for what he is saying.
I think the big reason is that the treatment is working, and that people won’t be dying in great numbers after all - maybe less than the flu this season.
Appreciate the effort to argue the point reasonably..
Yes, there have only been 700 deaths SO FAR. That’s not the issue.
The flu has a CFR of .1%. CV19 has a CFR of at least 1% (10X) and as high as 8% (Italy). Worldwide, it’s about 4.2% currently.
The flu has a R0 (contagion rate) WAY below that of CV19 (R0 of 2.5 - 3, possibly as high as 5 in some studies). That means it spreads like wildfire, whereas the flu spreads..but nothing like CV19.
Anyway..that’s the crux of the issue. A LOT more infections (spread) and a lot more deadly. But deadly aside, the bigger issue is that our hospitals can’t handle the massive caseload coming. Just look at what’s happening in NY TODAY. They need 140K beds and have 59K. Need 30K ICU beds and have one tenth of that at 3K today. That’s a big problem.
If anyone caught Cuomo’s press conference this morning, he did a great job laying out the numbers for NY. And NY is just the first city that will experience that type of scenario.
> attacking posters for even commenting on the market route
no, we’re just correcting your bullshit
just admit that you missed something here. economic meltdown kills people proportionally, and when it gets bad enough (national collapse), kills millions
Ya know, I asked NICELY that you guys drop the personal attacks.
Going forward, I’m going to report every single one of them to Jim R.
No more nice asks.
GTFO. You are a complete idiot and obviously have never lost a job or worried about rent. You are a true pos.Be proud ahole!
Reported.
Keep it up..
there is no reliable data available on covid-19. everything is conjecture.
Marc Lipsitch/Harvard - with the help of FakeNewsMSM - spread the meme, still popular today, that 40% to 70% of the world’s adult population could become infected.
however, he changed his mind. no-one noticed. just a tweet.
Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health: The latest on the coronavirus
March 2: Coronavirus may infect up to 70% of world’s population, expert says (CBS News)
According to Marc Lipsitch, 40% to 70% of the world’s adult population could become infected with the new coronavirus, and of those, 1% could die from COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. (In a later tweet, Lipsitch revised his estimates downward, to 20% to 60% of adults becoming infected.)
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/the-latest-on-the-coronavirus/
Tweet: Marc Lipsitch
Because I am now less certain of where the R0 will end up (and how it may vary geographically) I am going to revise downward the range of outcomes I consider plausible to 20%-60% of adults infected. This involves subjectivity about what range of R0 may turn out to be true.
3 Mar 2020
https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1234879949946814464
Calling you the troll that you are is not a “personal attack.”
Such an infantile troll you are.
We do know one thing about Ted. He IS a fighter. He has the spirit of a warrior. I think that he would be just fine. Heidi is no slouch, either.
You joined on March 24, 2003 to tell us that?
Didn’t see that yet. That’s goodness if Lipsitch revised the estimate downward. But he’s apparently still saying 20-60% vs 40 - 70% which is significant.
Bye Felicia.
Business Insider writers didn’t notice; added alarmist conjecture from CDC and NYT; also pointed to origin of Lipsitch’s original conjecture - a podcast with Harvard’s Noah Feldman (of impeachment fame?):
14 Mar: Business Insider: Multiple experts say up to 70% of Americans could be infected with the coronavirus and 1 million could die if no treatment is found — so people over 60 should ‘stay home unless it’s critical’
by Aylin Woodward, Anna Medaris Miller
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told the “Deep Background” (with Noah Feldman, Harvard) podcast on February 28 that the coronavirus could affect between 40 and 70% of the world’s adult population – about 3 billion people...
Four disease scenarios, modelled in February by experts at the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), suggested between 160 million and 214 million people in the US could get infected within a year. Between 200,000 and 1.7 million Americans could die, according to a New York Times report...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-150-million-americans-may-get-infected-2020-3?r=US&IR=T
CBS got the ball rolling, but no-one noted the final paragraphs excerpted below:
2 Mar: CBS: Coronavirus may infect up to 70% of world’s population, expert warns
CBS News spoke to one of the country’s top experts on viruses, Marc Lipsitch from Harvard University, who cautions that 40-70% of the world’s population will become infected — and from that number, 1% of people who get symptoms from COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, could die...
Jim Axelrod: So, the number that I think is grabbing a lot of people is this estimate: 40-70% of the world’s adult population could be infected.
Marc Lipsitch: Yes.
Axelrod: Accurate?
Lipsitch: That is a projection, so we will find out if it’s accurate as things go on. It is the best estimate that I’ve been able to make based on a combination of the mathematical models that we use to track and predict epidemics...
Lipsitch: This is not an existential threat. This is, qualitatively, it’s very much like a bad pandemic of influenza, which we experienced arguably twice or three times in the 20th Century. It’s worse than the one that we experienced in 2009. But none of those brought civilization close to its knees. They made things awful for a while.
Axelrod: And this won’t either?
Lipsitch: And this will not either.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-infection-outbreak-worldwide-virus-expert-warning-today-2020-03-02/
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