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Data shows daily coronavirus deaths are decreasing worldwide. Media misleads with cumulative statistics and graphs
Tech Startups ^ | POSTED ON MARCH 8, 2020 | TechStartups Team

Posted on 03/08/2020 6:00:55 PM PDT by narses

With coronavirus death toll in the U.S. rising to 19, people are becoming increasing afraid of contracting the disease. To date, there are 3,803 reported deaths with 109,835 confirmed cases worldwide. Also a total of 60,694 people have recovered from the virus. As the fear of coronavirus continues to spread, there are a growing number of reports of empty shop shelves as people rush to stock up on basic products such as hand soap, sanitizers, tissue papers, and many more. It got so bad that some stores are now limiting purchases of these products, more due to coronavirus fears.

The fears stem from the misleading information coming from mainstream media about the trend of the virus. The media shows the number of fatalities continuously increasing, on a time-based graph. The problem with this is that, the media only uses a cumulative graph to illustrate coronavirus deaths. However, if you look deeper at the raw data provided by John Hopkins on GITHUB, the number of global deaths per day are decreasing worldwide.

Hats off to Evan at TradeGuru, who first noticed the discrepancy in media’s cumulative statistics and created a more accurate chart. According to Evan’s analysis using the raw data provided by John Hopkins University, “the virus is decreasing in hotspots such as South Korea, China and Hong Kong (the first to deal with the novel virus). The press tells us it’s an outbreak, or a pandemic on the precipice. Both situations would suggest exponential growth. The actual data doesn’t suggest exponential growth of fatalities at all. The data suggests decline. In fact, the crude death rate is statistically 0.”

Also, it’s now being estimated that 80% of individuals that contract the coronavirus are asymptomatic or midly-symptomatic. And in this viral video, Rebecca Fraiser says she “never really felt unwell” after contracting the virus, and it “sounds like it is the case for the majority of people.”


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To: Vermont Lt

This decline wiped out small margin players two weeks ago.
The big guys (investment banks) are going down with the oil collapse.


Oil prices falling is good. Oil prices collapsing is disruptive.


361 posted on 03/08/2020 10:14:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: DouglasKC

blood oxygen saturation <=93%


That’s a threshold for staying conscious.


362 posted on 03/08/2020 10:16:21 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
blood oxygen saturation <=93% That’s a threshold for staying conscious.

Oh but don't worry. We've been told that those 20% who are NOT mild will go to the hospital and be sent home. Who cares if they're unconscious or can't breath. They're not dying!

363 posted on 03/08/2020 10:18:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: teletech

“The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%,” Adm. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health at HHS, says. “That’s lower than you heard probably in many reports ... it’s not likely in the range of 2 to 3%”


One would wonder exactly what he based those numbers on. They don’t correlate to any of the studies I’ve come across, but do correlate to some examples of spectacularly bad use of math. Maybe he has access to something we don’t have access to - or maybe he’s just accepting random comments in his environment. One would hope someone in his position has good data at hand. Unfortunately we’ve seen explicit examples of prominent “experts” failing in this regard.


364 posted on 03/08/2020 10:20:37 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

“So you have no idea what you read there? That *complete* failure pretty much tosses the rest of your analysis in the trash.”

Oh no, you compared COVID-19 to RICIN and a 100% death rate. You are funny man.


365 posted on 03/08/2020 10:23:27 PM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum. (The gay lobby must be destroyed))
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To: narses

Links? (In reference to flu epidemics in the Washington Nursing home)


I didn’t retain them. The news articles have been posted here on FR, mostly as an inferential condemnation of the health practices at the nursing home. If I come across them again, I’ll try to remember to ping you.


366 posted on 03/08/2020 10:24:26 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: wardaddy

And they have.


367 posted on 03/08/2020 10:25:29 PM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum. (The gay lobby must be destroyed))
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To: bankwalker

dropping oils prices don’t hurt you ... but they are a decent leading indicator of a future economic slowdown ... which could cause layoffs …


My first guess is that the price drops are primarily related to China shutting down their factories, and no longer needing as much oil for a while. Other countries are probably contributing towards that.


368 posted on 03/08/2020 10:27:15 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: narses

Another contrived "crisis" the DUmocrats and the DNC media let slip through their fingers!

369 posted on 03/08/2020 10:29:39 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: narses

I agree, the panic is dumb. Very Rat like.


370 posted on 03/08/2020 10:31:05 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: narses

Adam Crisafulli, founder of Vital Knowledge
_______________________________

And who is he?


371 posted on 03/08/2020 10:33:50 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the link. I do note “models”, not “studies”, and no reference given for assumptions or sources. Sigh.

It’d be nice if he is correct in regards actual outcomes, but that statement leaves a whole lot to be desired. IOW, it sounds like he is saying a lot more there than he actually is.


372 posted on 03/08/2020 10:34:38 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Osage Orange

Many more Chinese men died than women.
Likely older.....and maybe/likely smokers...


Perhaps I should have clipped more from the comment I was responding to.

Yes, smoking was the exact risk factor I in the post I was responding to. I was just adding the particular M:F mortality ratios merely alluded to in the previous post.


373 posted on 03/08/2020 10:38:17 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: rfp1234

We still don’t know what the error rates (false positives, false negatives) are for COVID-19 tests in various countries. I suspect there is large variability because it’s a new test. Who knows how many COVID-19 results may actually be some other virus, or vice versa?


You are correct. I am only doing first-order analysis, and noting my perception of one particular second-order set of adjustments. With a lack of information, I am attempting to not do any hand-waving, and to point out the limits to some of the reasonable assumptions.

This thing is a problem. It’s not the end of the world. If we take reasonable precautions, the more diligently we take them, the less we will need them.

For example, are there uncaptured infected? Assuredly. Are there 7 million of them, which was what it would have required last Friday in order to cause the math to give mortality rates similar to a bad flu? Very unlikely.


374 posted on 03/08/2020 10:45:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
Latest numbers from Italy:


375 posted on 03/08/2020 10:46:50 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Reporters and the news media in general think that statistical analysis is a simple business of gathering numbers and putting them in columns. They have no idea it is much more complicated than that. And certainly far more complicated than a bunch of partisan hacks could understand.
Remember, these are people that believe their own polls


The “$500 million, divided by 357 million people, is greater than $1 million dollars” fiasco is pretty good proof.

Keeping especially in mind that that was a tweet/post previously found by Brian Williams hours before and that he’d been thinking about, on a prepared segment, likely with at least a few hours and a staff to at least glance at it, and they still botched it so badly.


376 posted on 03/08/2020 10:49:47 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: narses

agree-it’s like the people who slow to look at an auto accident but what is dismaying is how many people are posting alarmist rumors on the FR Live Thread while it is clear to many that the aim of a lot of this is political. slow the economy and you get rid of Trump


377 posted on 03/08/2020 10:52:43 PM PDT by TECTopcat (TopCat)
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To: narses

Oh no, you compared COVID-19 to RICIN and a 100% death rate. You are funny man.


No. I did not.

I used a clear-cut *example*, heavily simplified to eliminate elements not linked to the methodology, to illustrate how absurd the methodology is, and you still failed.

That example was not an examination of COVID-19. It was an expository for the failure to execute a basic mathematical word problem suitable for early junior high school.

If one cannot perform the word problem correctly, then one gets an answer which has a wildly different meaning than what they think it means, even if they can get an answer when they plug the numbers into a calculator.


378 posted on 03/08/2020 11:01:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tatown

Go to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

for updated nubmers and you will see that no one, repeat no one under the age of 10 worldwide has died. That is because the virus is mild compared to SARS etc. The death rate is much lower than reported because most cases are mild, and unreported that is why 3 UCLA students were suspected of having it and they tested negative and just have a cold.

Both HHS and New England Journal of Medicine now say its between 0.1% and 1%.

On Thursday HHS Assistant Secretary Admiral Brett Giroir told reporters,
“The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%. That’s lower than you heard probably in many reports … it’s not likely in the range of 2 to 3%.”

This puts coronavirus on par with a typical flu epidemic to something slightly higher — NOT something like a SARS or MERS virus with a much higher mortality rate.
Via NBC News.

New England Journal of Medicine :
many corona virus cases are so mild they’re not even being reported, Fauci explained in an editorial he co-wrote in the same issue of the NEJM. Co-authors include Dr. Robert Redfield, who directs the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy director of the NIAID.

“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%,” Dr. Fauci and his colleagues explained.

“This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of COVID-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza pandemic [which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%] or a pandemic influenza [similar to those in 1957 and 1968],” the experts wrote.


379 posted on 03/08/2020 11:02:01 PM PDT by TECTopcat (TopCat)
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To: TECTopcat

When it comes to market manipulations, I smell a rat. A big one, named Soros.


380 posted on 03/08/2020 11:02:18 PM PDT by rfp1234
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