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Simple conjecture that any lay person can understand has baffled mathematicians for decades.
1 posted on 12/12/2019 6:54:01 AM PST by C19fan
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“If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long does it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle?”

My Grandpa used to pose that to us from time to time. No one, to this day, has found the answer! ;)


2 posted on 12/12/2019 7:00:41 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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"Fall under its trance and you may never do meaningful work again. " No thanks...I did that already when I retired!😎
3 posted on 12/12/2019 7:01:18 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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It’s a siren song, they say: Fall under its trance and you may never do meaningful work again.

Kind of like Trump Derangement Syndrome on Congress.

4 posted on 12/12/2019 7:09:43 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Cutest internet video: Charlie bit my finger. Creepiest internet video: Joe Biden bit my finger.)
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1 4 2 7 22 11 34 17
2 1 ....
3 7 ,...
4 ....
5 16 8 4 ....
6 3 ...
7 ....
8 4 ....
9 28 14 7 ....
Ok so now we know why they picked Q!


5 posted on 12/12/2019 7:14:00 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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Thanks for posting this! Very fascinating.

I’d never heard of a mathematical “conjecture” before.

I sent this to my math teacher sister. She teaches middle school kids in Baltimore who still struggle mightily with the concept of “one-half” after a full year of math instruction.


6 posted on 12/12/2019 7:14:53 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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Is 0 a number? If it is, this thing calls apart really quickly.


7 posted on 12/12/2019 7:16:37 AM PST by Bitman
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Do all resolve to 1 ? Enough that you can stop now. Or, save time and DON’T multiply by 3. See? Yep, all.


8 posted on 12/12/2019 7:16:44 AM PST by Bethaneidh
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There's also the classic XKCD cartoon Collatz Conjecture
10 posted on 12/12/2019 7:27:23 AM PST by glorgau
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“If it’s odd, multiply it by 3 and add 1. If it’s even, divide it by 2.”

At first glance, the process would seem to yield even numbers oftener than odd ones. Those get divided by 2, so the series would seem to trend downward to 1, eventually. Must be more complicated than that, though.


11 posted on 12/12/2019 7:28:11 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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“Almost” doesn’t work with mathematics.


13 posted on 12/12/2019 7:37:23 AM PST by bgill
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No thanks. Not into self-imposed tedium.


14 posted on 12/12/2019 7:38:00 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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It basically boils down to you eventually arrive at a number that's a power of 2. (If you're a Dim voter, that means the number is "2 to the something power".) Which means each time you halve it (divide by two), you still have an even number, which means halving it again, then again, and again, until you reach 1.

Think of it as starting with 5. It's even, so multiply it by 3 (which makes 15) and add 1 (which makes 16). 16 is a power of 2 because it's 2 to the 4th power. Basically, from this point on you're halving it over and over until you get to 1. So: because 16 is even you halve it to get 8 (which is 2 to the 3rd power), then halve it again to get 4 (2 to the 2nd power), then 2 (2 to the 1st power), then 1 (2 to the 0 power).

18 posted on 12/12/2019 7:56:56 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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Simple conjecture that any lay person can understand has baffled mathematicians for decades.
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BINGO!!
Most anyone in retail understands this. It is encountered daily where one has to deal with mark-up and mark-down.

Now give every supermarket manager his or her PhD.


20 posted on 12/12/2019 7:59:36 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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It’s the proof that eludes us.

The problem is fascinating, and simple to express, and really comes down to two questions:

First, are there any numbers other than 1 which, if multiplied by 3 and then adding 1, and then dividing by 2, yield the same number.

Second, are their any repeating sequences of numbers where, having done those same calculations, you end up in a loop.

The 3rd, more esoteric question, is whether there is a sequence that never repeats, but also never leads to 1 — but given an infinite number of tries, this must necessarily either be proven false, or fall into the 1st or 2nd questions.


29 posted on 12/12/2019 10:00:54 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Seems so simple and obviously true but the devil is in that ‘take any number’ (assumed to be a positive ‘whole’ number - if that’s not to be assumed THEN all bets are off immediately anyway)’

I suspect that there possibly there are whole numbers that when that process is applied form a loop with numbers going back up to the loop start number OR even there are patterns of an infinite upward ramp — AND PROVING THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN (for ANY number upto Infinity ) IS THE HARD PART... (so to not always lead to the final ‘1’)

Any number ...

Consider a possible convolution — consider the ‘mult by 3 and add one’ creates an even (a bigger number) which subsequently being even gets ‘divided by 2’ (a less small number than originally) but still is an even - numbers like 10 but when divided by 2 become odd again.


32 posted on 12/12/2019 2:29:47 PM PST by elbook
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