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Official advice on low-fat diet and cholesterol is wrong, says health charity (UK, 2016)
The Guardian ^ | May 23, 2016 | The Guardian

Posted on 09/01/2019 6:10:50 AM PDT by BobL

Urging people to follow low-fat diets and to lower their cholesterol is having “disastrous health consequences”, a health charity has warned.

In a damning report that accuses major public health bodies of colluding with the food industry, the National Obesity Forum and the Public Health Collaboration call for a “major overhaul” of current dietary guidelines. They say the focus on low-fat diets is failing to address Britain’s obesity crisis, while snacking between meals is making people fat.

Instead, they call for a return to “whole foods” such as meat, fish and dairy, as well as high-fat, healthy foods including avocados, arguing: “Eating fat does not make you fat.”

The report – which has caused a huge backlash among the scientific community – also argues that saturated fat does not cause heart disease while full-fat dairy, including milk, yoghurt and cheese, can actually protect the heart.

Processed foods labelled “low fat”, “lite”, “low cholesterol” or “proven to lower cholesterol” should be avoided at all costs, and people with type 2 diabetes should eat a fat-rich diet rather than one based on carbohydrates...

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: carbohydrates; fat; keto; obesity
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To: Mase

“For the vast majority of people, losing weight, and gaining the benefits from doing so, is simply a matter of calories in vs. calories out.”

Sell that to someone who hasn’t been on a lot of diets in his life. I have. And your advice SUCKS.

“The First Law of Thermodynamics” has NOTHING to do with dieting. Or animal bodies. You can making dieting easy and effective, or make it incredibly hard and ineffective. I’ve been there and know the difference.

You REALLY need to understand the difference our hormones make. Hormones control much of how our body processes stuff. Insulin has a huge effect on weight gain and fat storage. Please learn more about how animals work and stop citing a “law” that doesn’t have anything to do with animal bodies.


141 posted on 09/01/2019 1:04:20 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Raycpa

“The DASH diet and Mediterranean diet are world-renound for improving heart health.”

No they are not. They have been shown to be less effective than a lower carb diet.

And here is a hint: Get rid of visceral fat and your cholesterol won’t mean squat.


142 posted on 09/01/2019 1:07:45 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

What I found was most products that are low fat are also high in sodium. When avoiding sodium you also avoid low fat products and many carbs like breads.


143 posted on 09/01/2019 1:31:01 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: TexasTransplant

You’re in!


144 posted on 09/01/2019 1:35:28 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: dfwgator

Thanks, I copied your recipe and gave it our chef, my wife.


145 posted on 09/01/2019 1:35:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: HangnJudge

Doctor told me to drink 1% milk. Yech! I settled for 2% Yech!
I started feeling better when I stopped eating canned soups and frozen dinners and fast food which I was everyday.

I now drink whole milk and eat wheat bread that does not have all the msg and high fructose syrup in it and some eggs now and then. Feeling 100% better. Variety is the key. Snacking as well thru the day helps will blood pressure.


146 posted on 09/01/2019 1:35:35 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: cactusflower

You’re also in!


147 posted on 09/01/2019 1:35:42 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: minnesota_bound

Keto diet
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ketogenic-diet-101#weight-loss


148 posted on 09/01/2019 1:37:22 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: dfwgator; Cobra64; AlligatorEyes; LouisianaJoanof Arc; dp0622; thesearethetimes...; jacquej; ...

“Everyone needs to watch the documentary “The Magic Pill” on Netflix.”

Thanks again DF. Just saw it, absolutely OUTSTANDING. I think it’s the best compilation on the subject, so I’m PINGING my list again, to recommend it to others.

Here it is, both Netflix and YouTube:

https://www.netflix.com/title/80238655

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6duhSjYyj0k

It has the Big 3 in my book (they all have tons of videos on YouTube, and books you can buy):

Nina Tiecholz - researched more studies in this area than anyone else alive, maybe everyone else combined.

Tim Noakes and Jason Fung - run clinics where they quickly (and almost always) get Type 2 diabetics off of insulin, and often off of all meds.

When you guys get a chance, watch their videos - any of them. Needless to say, they all came up with the same set of conclusions.


149 posted on 09/01/2019 1:40:52 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Raycpa

You really shouldn’t avoid salt. Your body depends on it.


150 posted on 09/01/2019 2:00:04 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Neidermeyer

Low fat is bad for the brain. Decreases Alzheimer’s and dementia. I wonder what it doing to our kids, too.

https://www.drperlmutter.com/eating-fat-fighting-alzheimers/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-optimalist/201310/your-healthy-diet-could-be-quietly-killing-your-brain


151 posted on 09/01/2019 2:04:17 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill-googl,TWTR,FCBK,NYT,WaPo,Hlwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antfa,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP)
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To: Raycpa

“Dash is current diet recommended to heart attack survivors by my doctor and dietitian.”

No kidding!!! That’s why we’re all here off in Kooksville, while the ‘professionals’ are continuing in their ways. But consider the following:

1. The absolutely ATROCIOUS record of the ‘professionals’ when it came to eating eggs or butter. Eggs have been completely absolved of any negative health effects, while people who left butter for industrial lubricants (sometimes referred to as margarine) were much, much, worse off regarding health. Both of these ‘professional’ recommendations have since been fully reversed. And I’m sure there are plenty of others.

2. The ‘professionals’ are human beings. They usually have jobs and families, and want to be able to provide for them. So when they’re told what to recommend, they will usually do as told, as bucking those recommendations could cost them their jobs and/or their funding streams (which are often drug or processed food companies).

3. So who’s really calling the shots? If you work for a medical group, and the medical group tells you what type of advice to give, and what type not to give, most people (doctors, etc.) will do as told. Ditto for insurance companies trying to minimize risk.

4. So how do medical groups and insurance companies minimize risk of lawsuits? Easy, do what the government and semi-government types recommend. For diabetics, it means listening the ADA. Much harder to sue, regardless of results, if everything was done ‘by the book’.

5. And who is at the top of the Food Chain regarding the recommendations? Often people with incredible conflicts of interest, such as animal rights types telling people that meat will kill them, and making that into official recommendations. Just one example.

Eventually, things will work themselves out. You CANNOT continue to have people like Dr. Noakes and Dr. Fung running clinics where the vast majority of Type 2 Diabetics are getting it reversed to the extent that they’re able to get off of drugs, while at the same time 95% of doctors and nutritionists are telling these same people that it’s a life sentence - and the drug levels will only increase.

That is an unstable situation which cannot last.

Add to that the stories of people HERE have, just on this thread. And FR is NOT a special-interest, nutrition-related, site. We are political junkies who spend 95% (at least) of our posts bitching about Democrats and RINOs. Go look at my postings from last week, for example. So I trust the people here more than my own sister, who is a nurse. People in the field often are unable to objectively look at data that directly contradicts what they’ve been taught and what they’ve told others - it is a tough thing to step back from, for anyone.


152 posted on 09/01/2019 2:04:25 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

“You really shouldn’t avoid salt. Your body depends on it.”

I’ve heard that too. There doesn’t appear to be any science behind the idea of limiting sodium - and what little science there is happens to be in the opposite direction, as in NOT having a lot of salt increases risks of bad things.


153 posted on 09/01/2019 2:06:52 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Right Wing Assault; All
See my post 151 for info about how low-fat diets may be harming our brains. We've switched too whole fat milk recently.



154 posted on 09/01/2019 2:08:09 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill-googl,TWTR,FCBK,NYT,WaPo,Hlwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antfa,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP)
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To: BobL
There is a V-shaped curve whereby getting under 3,000 mg a day or over 6,000 mg a day raises the likelihood of death.

There are maybe 12% of people who are hypertensive with severe sodium issues, so those people may benefit from less sodium, but for the rest of us, bring it up!

155 posted on 09/01/2019 2:37:03 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: metmom

“We have found that gradual changes are much easier to adapt to than a massive overhaul of the diet.”

Actually, my friends and relatives who have gone on the Keto and then the Med diet at first got rid of the fabricated foods/lo cal and so called diet foods were the most successful.

Below is again what our family doctor at that time suggested to me.

“Finally, a friend with a similar pathway told me about the Keto diet.

I discussed it with my Primary Care Doc, who inspite of being 60+ was/is the same weight as his basketball days in college. He told me what to buy food wise and not to buy.

His advice was to throw away any processed food and carbs in our kitchem. Then, throw away any so called diet or low cal food.

Only buy food in the outer edges of a grocery store and stay away from any processed food with more than a few ingredients and any ingredients we with more than a couple of sylables.”

This MD said that what we were throwing away was like eating poison or tainted food. Get it out of your kitchen, storage and your home.

Those of us, who have followed his advice really had zero problems.


156 posted on 09/01/2019 5:58:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: Grampa Dave

We started slowly. First it was cutting back on sugar and using honey, and switching from white rice to brown rice. That was difficult at first as brown rice took some getting used to but now we love it and would not go back.

We also started doing whole wheat bread using hard white wheat flour and I made it myself, so knew what was in it.

Along with all that was switching from margarine to real butter, which was NOT hard at all and cutting out all transfats, and that was before they were telling everyone how bad they really are.

I decided that my body knew what to do with real food over processed stuff.

Cutting out the pasta was harder for mr. mm as he grew up eating a lot more of it than I did. But he still has a weakness for it but now when he eats it, he weighs out 2 oz of dry pasta and that’s his portion.

He’s doing very well maintaining his weight on a shop around the edges of the store kind of eating.


157 posted on 09/01/2019 6:06:40 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: TexasTransplant

Amazing how this works for most of us:

Keto 9 months now, BP from 200/100 (or worse) now 122/73
From 265lbs to 218lbs.

From 42” Jeans to 36” now (and my beer belly is almost gone)
I am much healthier, feel better, more active and I NEVER go hungry because if I am hungry I eat.

My Blood Glucose rarely exceeds 100 (after meals) low 80’s while fasting


158 posted on 09/01/2019 6:08:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: Raycpa

A great combo after your caveman/keto diet.

The Best of the Best!

The DASH diet and Mediterranean diet are world-renound for improving heart health. New research shows that they are even better together. Discover the DASH and Mediterranean plan that is perfect for you.


159 posted on 09/01/2019 6:11:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: metmom

You are doing all of the correct things.

We all function at different rates and ways.

This comment of yours is a key to this puzzle.

“I decided that my body knew what to do with real food over processed stuff.”


160 posted on 09/01/2019 6:25:51 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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