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NYPD fires Officer Daniel Pantaleo in chokehold death of Eric Garner
Ny post ^ | 8/19/19 | Bruce Golding

Posted on 08/19/2019 9:54:21 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

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To: conservative98

Trying to convince folks using facts when they have their preconceived political opinions is useless, particularly on FR where ignorance is esteemed and obnoxiousness is equated with courage.


41 posted on 08/19/2019 10:39:35 AM PDT by Okeydoker
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To: rbg81

Well that is certainly more authoritative than the forensic pathologist who did the autopsy.


42 posted on 08/19/2019 10:42:52 AM PDT by Okeydoker
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Not sure if this was the officer who flew in like Jimmy Superfly Snuka but that was utterly ridiculous to leap and land on the guy with a chokehold because he waved off arrest for selling a few loose cigs.

This is the backend of the Marxist Mayor paying out big for the death to the family.

Whole thing was ridiculous.


43 posted on 08/19/2019 10:44:22 AM PDT by romanesq (MAGA Coalition sues QAnon & will expose the QAnon grifters!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Once again - Garner was NOT choked to death.

This is just mob justice by De Blasio and some idiot judge trying to “feel better” about the self inflicted death of a career criminal.


44 posted on 08/19/2019 10:45:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: chris37

“Has anyone person other than Garner been killed by an arm around the neck for approximately 14 seconds?”

Anyone in bad health won’t need much abuse before keeling over. Eric Garner went down and never got back up.


45 posted on 08/19/2019 10:46:46 AM PDT by romanesq (MAGA Coalition sues QAnon & will expose the QAnon grifters!)
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To: chris37
'You would think this might happen in MMA, where people are choked out all the time.'

Unhealthy people are prone to more harm via stress. Throwing a choke of any type on a large unhealthy person will lead to disaster. Most mma guys are at the pinnacle of fitness and are used to rolling and being choked or in a position of being choked.

46 posted on 08/19/2019 10:48:12 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: chris37

Have you ever been placed in a chokehold?


47 posted on 08/19/2019 10:48:24 AM PDT by mumblypeg
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To: Okeydoker; chris37
Sorry pal. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

Better look in a mirror when you make this comment. You are badly mistaken at best. Outright liar at worst.

I could provide you with links - but you are not worth the effort. Garner died of a heart attack. He was not choked.

48 posted on 08/19/2019 10:51:39 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Theoria

They also go unconscious from such chokes in a matter of seconds.

Garner was conscious during the choke, which means he wasn’t being choked. He was being held.


49 posted on 08/19/2019 10:51:39 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: mumblypeg

All sorts of them

Wind pipe chokes, blood chokes, strangle holds.

Studied martial arts for many years.

Garner did not lose consciousness from the “choke”, which is a dead giveaway that he was not being choked.

I don’t doubt that he was compressed between the cops, the walls, and the ground though. I can see how that would result in positional asphyxia quickly for a man such as him.


50 posted on 08/19/2019 10:54:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: chris37

Not accurate. There are two types of chokes, air and blood. Basic bjj. One can have blood cut of and be able to talk or restricting air in and being able to say something. Bad day all around.


51 posted on 08/19/2019 10:55:33 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

How about just giving him a ticket?

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Man. The ignorance on this board is amazing.

You wanna take a crack at how to give a guy a ticket as he is avoiding arrest and running away?

“Sir! Please stop. I want to give you a ticket. Sir!!”


52 posted on 08/19/2019 10:55:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: romanesq

Can you give me the name of someone?

Anyone?

Or is Eric Garner the only person in history to have been killed by a 14 second “chokehold”?


53 posted on 08/19/2019 10:56:31 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: Theoria

He DIDN’T GO UNCONSCIOUS from the hold!

That’s a key component of being choked, Theoria.

I’m pretty sure you know that.

Clearly, his windpipe was not being compressed enough to cause a loss of consciousness.

Clearly his arteries were not being compressed enough to cause unconsciousness.

If the choke failed to cause him to lose consciousness, then the choke also failed to kill him.


54 posted on 08/19/2019 10:59:32 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: 2banana

Sorry, but the cop choking this guy was ridiculous.

The fact it took this long to FIRE him over this, tells you all you need to know about why things are in the state they are.

I have no doubt this man had no intention of causing permanent harm to anyone.. but the fact he thought I need to choke this guy just because he’s pleading his case to subdue him for an arrest for selling loosies shows he should not be a cop.


55 posted on 08/19/2019 11:02:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: chris37
'Clearly his arteries were not being compressed enough to cause unconsciousness.'

All the choke needs to do is harm the carotid arteries or jugular veins in any form. That's enough stress on a fatty. Reducing oxygen to a fatty and spiking stress is all it takes. Fatty is example one of why the NYPD put restrictions around the neck of people.

56 posted on 08/19/2019 11:03:46 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Just what I was thinking looking at it again, his right arm wasnt even around his neck, he wasn't tall enough. It was only when he was on the ground did he get his arm around his neck for a few seconds, but THAT did not knock Garner out because he removed his arm and Garner was still concious and speaking claiming he couldn't breathe. To me it looked like he was having an asthma attack but why claim that when a leftist can use this opportunity to flame race relations and media can get ratings.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_s8JklrBSlk

57 posted on 08/19/2019 11:04:44 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary walks free, equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: HamiltonJay
"just because he’s pleading his case"

You are severely misinformed if you think this is what happened.

58 posted on 08/19/2019 11:09:02 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Theoria

I don’t mind restrictions being put on police with regard toward how to handle people.

I don’t enjoy seeing what happened to this man.

I think the officer who put his arm around Garner’s neck is being scapegoated, however.

All of the officers involved in that are partly responsible for his death by compressing him as they did. Garner is also partly responsible via his behavior and poor health.

It was an unfortunate situation, but that one individual is not the person responsible for this death alone. It was a group effort by all involved.


59 posted on 08/19/2019 11:09:10 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: thefactor

You are if you think otherwise, go watch the full video.

If you think this guy was offering “resistance”, let alone “physical resistance” you are not only misinformed, but need your eyes examined.


60 posted on 08/19/2019 11:11:58 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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