Posted on 07/02/2019 10:06:43 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
“We’ve got to get deeper than just these superficial fixes, as important as they are..."
“We don’t have a healthcare system in the United States, we have a sickness care system in the United States. We just wait ’til somebody gets sick and then we talk about who’s going to pay for the treatment and how they’re going to be treated. What we need to talk about why so many Americans have unnecessary chronic illnesses, so many more compared to other countries. And that gets back not just into Big Pharma, not just health insurance companies, it has to do with chemical policies, it has to do with environmental policies, it has to do with food policies, it has to do with drug policies…”
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Obviously you don't know the history of food and disease well enough to begin to have a rational discussion on it; sadly.
Children and adults developed all kinds of food related/lack thereof, problems and even died from some of them, well into the 20th century.
Have you ever heard of RICKETS, for example? What about goiters, anemia, scurvy, malnutrition?
And prior to the PURE FOOD AND DRUG ACT of 1906, adulterated milk, bread, and color added to putrefying meat sickened and even killed many!
For those not living off the land, buying food in store was what they did and still do. Some greedy, unscrupulous people would lace milk with chalk, water, and a blue dye, to make more of it and this make more money.
Many foods were NOT wrapped, but just put out on shelves ( barrels of pickles, salted fish, bread, rolls, etc.) where bugs, dust, germs, etc. would land on them and didn't do much good for those who ate these foods. And refrigeration is a more or less "recent" thing! Before it was in common usage, some foods were just kept on ice blocks...unwrapped!
FYI...at one time, caviar was actually NOT all that expensive and was prescribed and a sort of medicine for certain types of illnesses. I know this, because it's part of my "family stories", that when she was little and very sick ( I do NOT know what she had ), my beloved maternal Great Aunt was prescribed caviar to help build her up. This was in the early part of the 20th. century.
Thank you for your smart, educated post. It blows my mind that so many conservatives, freepers et al buy into liberal/left lies. They accept and absorb every lie they put out there! And if you dare push back on the lie - my favorite being that rape is not about sex - they will hysterically attack you.
Hi Mase...long time no see. :-)
Hmm...I understand that one’s diet, along with smoking habits, reliance on pharmaceutical products, and other personal health matters are a sensitive topic. There is no need to be up in arms though.
Ms. Williamson has no chance of winning the nomination and we all remain free to browse the supermarket aisles as we wish and eat all the produce, corn, and grains produced in this country to our heart’s content.
That being said, whether we are a private or public system, there is no denying that we all share the burden of healthcare costs. And applying a consistent, conservative ethic to the challenge means raising the issue of PERSONAL responsibility for one’s health. Or as Rod Dreher of The American Conservative puts it, ‘pulling our weight both literally and metaphorically.’
For some, this may mean: avoiding processed foods, baking our own bread, avoiding bromated and glyphosate-laden flours, incorporating physical activity to offset reliance on drugs, etc...
This also means applying the same skepticism and weariness to corporations that we do the State. Look at BOEING’s latest debacle in aviation for example. What makes us think that Monsanto and Opioid-producers don’t also have the worst elements of human nature get in the way of their ability to serve consumer interests? We are allowed to demand better quality food, less toxic cosmetics and cleaning products, etc... Because compared to other first world countries, we are behind in this regard.
That is all. :)
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/health-care-personal-responsibility/
Look, I understand that you weren't alive when a lot of the things in my posts were prevalent, but hey...neither was I; yet I know all about such things.
You're going off 1/2 cocked and not even trying to understand that what everyone eats or doesn't, exercises or doesn't, etc. is NOT the purview of the government, nor individual citizens! If such was the case, we'd all be in a really terrible situation!
Of course the idiotic thrown back to the late '60s-early '70s New Age dips**t has NO chance of even being in the primaries much longer, let alone being the candidate, but YOU swallowed, as whole clothe, some of the clap-trap, snakeoil she's peddling; sadly.
*breathe in* *breathe out* *meditate to Schubert’s Ave Maria*
Indeed I prefer Jesus and stained glass cathedrals to the New Age, but thanks. Gluttony is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, as is Greed, and we have both in abundance in our country. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that this leads to problems for ourselves and the greater public at large. To deadly consequences. No need to bag on the messenger.
As far as gluttony and greed are concerned, the Catholic Church was NOT the first to rail, against it; not to mention the fact that the higher ups ( as with most groups, religious or not )usually manage to completely ignore/shun such dictates/remonstrations.
From long before there was any written word, people have glorified different body types and for different reasons, though the female shape was/still is also a form of sexual signalling.
OTOH...today's obesity problem is due to mostly really bad food choices! It's actually the first time, THE VERY FIRST TIME, in all of human history, that the poor/semi-poor have become obese! And yes, it is their own damned fault; aided and abetted by the obscene largess of the "WELFARE STATE"!
More bull. I see you’re a typical health nazi wanting to police everybody because you’re afraid, somehow, somewhere, you’re going to get stuck with a bill because another person, unknown and far away, overindulged on a candy bar or some GMO product.
Do yourself a favor: buy your fair trade coffee, avoid all GMO products and leave the rest of us alone.
Shucks, I didn’t even think that I should buy...Should I get accident, or life?
Too many people listen to Tucker Carlson's ignorant rants on this subject.
They’re sadly answering to a high demand.
Even more alarming are the calls from so-called conservatives for government to do something to shut down these evil corporations that produce products that people willingly buy (because they find value in them) that improve longevity or simply make their lives more comfortable and healthy. The desire of these big government conservatives to empower government to wage war against industry based on lies and illiteracy is appalling.
Hope you are well. I'm still living here in paradise, but wishing others hadn't called it paradise. It would have been much better to have kept it a secret gem. But alas....
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, what's next, blood letting to cure an illness or maybe using leeches to treat cancer or smallpox?
Meds for pain can sadly be addictive, though they do NOT have to be. Just look at what happened during the Civil War with Morphine.
OTOH...there have ALWAYS been people ( and they were on the fringe of society! ) who have used and abused Morphine, Heroin, and anything and everything they could get their hands on and they were/are NOT treating a serious physical pain at all.
So what's the answer to the present opioid crisis? Make sure that NOBODY can have any...tell those in pain to just bite down on a stick,get drunk (oh oh...that also problematical), euthanasia?
I meant that sincerely, and am not up in arms about it (at least with my question)
I understand your answer.
But to control what food one is allowed to put into your body is a something the the government shouldn’t be involved in.
I regard that as a full stop.
There are a lot of things...drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, eating liver pate, mountainbike riding down steep mountains, skydiving, flying hang gliders, you name it, that are hazardous and can invoke a need for health care. But once you begin allowing that control by government, where do they stop?
In my opinion, if a government can control your health care, they control you, period.
If a government can control what you put in your mouth, that is an even higher level of control.
I don’t want any part of the government involved in that. Is there a place in controlling the level of toxins in food, makeup, or air? Of course there is.
But look what happened when we gave the government the authority to control what is put into the environment: They designated CO2 as a pollutant!
CO2. Think of that. THAT is what happens when you cede control to bureaucrats-they want to designate something you cannot avoid breathing and is necessary for life as a pollutant.
If we give them the authority to control what we put in our mouths, think of what they will designate as unsafe. Or unwise. Or whatever they wish.
You and I can disagree politely on this, and I appreciate your civil discourse.
LOL. I see you've been mercifully spared from the ravages of scientific literacy.
What makes us think that Monsanto and Opioid-producers don’t also have the worst elements of human nature get in the way of their ability to serve consumer interests?
Because we've taken the time to educate ourselves about the facts concerning genetically engineered food products and the pharmaceutical industry rather than buying the agenda driven lies of charlatans and anti-capitalist collectivists who won't be satisfied until we're living, once again, in pre-industrial villages?
How are the boys?
Yes, that’s right. Take an aspirin just like they are forced to do in 3rd World countries and/or communist countries.
I’ll never forget in the book All Creatures Great and Small, the vet, Seigfried Farnon, bleeds a horse while James Herriott - Alfred Wight - stands by agape. He cannot explain it but the horse improves mightily with the treatment. Go figure!
I think the tragedy is not the physical demand for these drugs, but the psychological.
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