Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence

Imprimis ^ | Jan 2019 | Alex Berenson

[Persevero]

Most of all, advocates have told you that marijuana is not just safe for people with psychiatric problems like depression, but that it is a potential treatment for those patients. On its website, the cannabis delivery service Eaze offers the “Best Marijuana Strains and Products for Treating Anxiety.” “How Does Cannabis Help Depression?” is the topic of an article on Leafly, the largest cannabis website. But a mountain of peer-reviewed research in top medical journals shows that marijuana can cause or worsen severe mental illness, especially psychosis, the medical term for a break from reality. Teenagers who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia, the most devastating psychotic disorder.

[NobleFree]

Try walking the streets of any major liberal city wading through the litter and homeless camps

That may be an increased consolidation rather than an increased number. That's why science trumps personal observation.

[varyouga]

The overall rate is decreasing but mentally ill people simply congregate from all over the country to these places. Where they are allowed to camp and find drugs that self medicate their mental illness.

The only options are to exterminate them or have some kind of system for treatment. Unfortunately due to the nature of mental illness, many of them will not willingly go for treatment. And courts have ruled it very difficult to force such people into treatment due to past abuses

[NobleFree]

People will do whatever is necessary to ruin their lives...Get over it....

Dope heads ALWAYS defend their beloved dope.

To you, "ruin their lives" is a "defense"?

[mewzilla]

That's why science trumps personal observation.

I'd say that depends on who's conducting the science.

[ClearBlueSky]

There you go. The 'get over it' argument is stupid. I'll 'get over 'it when stoned pot-heads are not driving next to me, driving school busses, making our food, our defective merchandise or flying our planes and operating on us. Stay home, cook your brain cells without forcing me to deal with-and beware of-your impaired brain. Put a big bag on your head and suck up all your numbing smoke-I don't want it in my air any more than I want non-hallucinogenic tobacco.
People who defend DOPE don't get that-but then, they can't...their brains are warped by dope.

[DoodleBob]

Drunk driving laws presuppose the legality of alcohol being consumed. In fact most states let you drive after say one beer. Furthermore, even strict libertarians would note that drunk driving laws are about regulating the privilege of driving on public roads, and are no different from speed limits and traffic lights and stop signs. (The anarchist would say there should be NO such laws...that's quite different from libertarianism.). Indeed, I believe if people wanted to drive wasted on their private property it wouldn't be a matter for the police.

You mention the States...now we're talking. The 9th and 10th effectively make drug criminalization a State's rights issue. And many states are decriminalizing pot with varying levels of success and failure.

I totally get the pros and cons of drug decriminalization. As I said before, many people can't handle drugs just like they can't handle scotch or beer or tobacco or firearms. My main issue with this whole topic is the stunning inconsistency of anti-drug folks when it comes to the Constitutionality of banning drugs. This simply shouldn't be a federal issue, unless your believe the Commerce Clause - which the founders put in there to stop the states from interrupting the free flow of goods and services - can be used to regulate everything under the sun...that is a DNC/liberal position which no self-respecting Deplorable should find palatable.

[NobleFree]

The Link Between Marijuana and Schizophrenia

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But here's the conundrum: while marijuana went from being a secret shared by a small community of hepcats and beatniks in the 1940s and '50s to a rite of passage for some 70% of youth by the turn of the century, rates of schizophrenia in the U.S. have remained flat, or possibly declined. For as long as it has been tracked, schizophrenia has been found to affect about 1% of the population.

Try walking the streets of any major liberal city wading through the litter and homeless camps

That may be an increased consolidation rather than an increased number. That's why science trumps personal observation.

I'd say that depends on who's conducting the science.

If you have evidence that the reported flat rates of schizophrenia are book-cooking, let's see that evidence.

[NobleFree]

I'll 'get over 'it when stoned pot-heads are not driving next to me, driving school busses, making our food, our defective merchandise or flying our planes and operating on us.

A few do that whether or not pot is legal - as do some users of the drug alcohol; do you want to ban that?

[MarvinStinson]

"people wanted this...."

WRONG.

SOROS wanted this.

And engineered it.

Along with illegal aliens flooding the US and Europe, euthenasia, the "I accuse you of Islamophobia" movement, the high powered abortion movement, LBGQ movement, etc.

Anything to DESTROY the US and Western culture.

[gundog]

Quicker to flower is somewhat misleading. Independent of photoperiodicity is more accurate. I’ve seen sativas that were 5 inches tall with seeds set.

[ClearBlueSky]

Oh, I was waiting for it-the 'alcohol is legal' cry.
Alcohol was banned, now it is not and look at the problems we have with drunk driving. HOW is adding ANOTHER mind altering substance BETTER? So we should have drunk drivers AND stoned drivers to be 'fair'?
That's like saying we have ONE murderer in the neighborhood-why not have dozens more?ADDING to a problem isn't 'fair' its stupid.
And I think drunk drivers should NEVER drive again and those who cause fatalities should pay with their lives. Self destruct isolated and alone-with alcohol or drugs.

[NobleFree]

A few do that [DUI] whether or not pot is legal - as do some users of the drug alcohol; do you want to ban that?

Alcohol was banned, now it is not and look at the problems we have with drunk driving.

So should we ban it?

HOW is adding ANOTHER mind altering substance BETTER?

HOW is subtracting a mind altering substance *not* BETTER? Should we ban alcohol?

And I think drunk drivers should NEVER drive again and those who cause fatalities should pay with their lives.

Sure - and ditto for pot ... but should we ban them for even nondriving use?

[NobleFree]

SOROS wanted this.

Most pot legalizations were done by direct vote of the people through referendum - the people spoke.

[ClearBlueSky]

The current debate is not about making a legal substance illegal but about legalizing that which is illegal. And it is NOT an improvement to add to existing problems. As you are arguing that the legality of alcohol should allow the legalization of marijuana, so will the legalization of marijuana( a mind altering substance) lead inevitably to the defense of cocaine,heroin,meth and other destructive drugs people WILL and ARE doing despite the laws against them.
Does it stop anywhere? If we can't say alcohol is bad enough, no more; how can we say anything else is? Do you want to? At what point can we prevent individual self-destruction from damaging society?
I don't care if alcohol is banned, if that's what the majority want. I don't care if people want to drink themselves to death, or sit at home smoking themselves into vegetables. Just DON'T affect me with the consequences! I don't want to deal with drunks OR druggies of any kind!
Lets deal with that when alcohol laws are in question. Now it's marijuana being decriminalized,not alcohol, and it's STUPID to say one pit bull is already biting us, lets add another.

[ClearBlueSky]

The current debate is not about making a legal substance illegal but about legalizing that which is illegal. And it is NOT an improvement to add to existing problems. As you are arguing that the legality of alcohol should allow the legalization of marijuana, so will the legalization of marijuana( a mind altering substance) lead inevitably to the defense of cocaine,heroin,meth and other destructive drugs people WILL and ARE doing despite the laws against them.
Does it stop anywhere? If we can't say alcohol is bad enough, no more; how can we say anything else is? Do you want to? At what point can we prevent individual self-destruction from damaging society?
I don't care if alcohol is banned, if that's what the majority want. I don't care if people want to drink themselves to death, or sit at home smoking themselves into vegetables. Just DON'T affect me with the consequences! I don't want to deal with drunks OR druggies of any kind!
Lets deal with that when alcohol laws are in question. Now it's marijuana being decriminalized,not alcohol, and it's STUPID to say one pit bull is already biting us, lets add another.

[TheStickman]

Rehashing of old news. People suffering from psychosis should not use cannabis. Duh.

Been using cannabis since 2015 with amazing results. Not missing lifelong depression, anxiety or insomnia a bit.

https://youtu.be/V9dpgMbAd0c

[Persevero]

Ah Cherry, we only lose when we quit fighting.

[Persevero]

I prefer it be a states issue. In that I think we agree.

Since the civil war we have not properly had states’ rights. I’m not willing to have public intoxication, or intoxication when caring for dependents in the private home, while we get them back. Too much unnecessary harm and death to the judicially innocent with that.

We can argue where the arbitrary line is for intoxication - .06 or .08 or THC levels or whatever - that would sit with the elected legislature hopefully based on medical facts regarding impairment.

[Persevero]

In re alcohol I support public intoxication laws and laws regarding those in charge of minors and vulnerable adults as well. It doesn’t get a pass.

[Persevero]

In re Joe Biden he needs to be convicted of something and then he’ll be away from minors in prison. If let out, a condition that he never touch a minor child. That is how our laws should work.