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1 posted on 06/04/2019 11:53:50 AM PDT by John Conlin
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Ultimately, “I’ll make them do it” devolves to physical coercion. Slavery and totalitarianism are the end states of “I’ll make them do it.


2 posted on 06/04/2019 11:57:24 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Very difficult to ‘make’ anyone do anything. There have to be consequences, both good and bad, to every action. Some are internal, others external.


3 posted on 06/04/2019 12:00:08 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A law means nothing if it isnÂ’t followed.)
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So what stopped you from posting your own material in full?


4 posted on 06/04/2019 12:00:46 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Learn to do it, then teach others how to do it. its not coercion, its education, real hands-on learning. Leaders inspire because of their confidence and control.


5 posted on 06/04/2019 12:01:07 PM PDT by TonytheTiger7777
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Our manufacturing facility in the Philippines would hire entire extended families to work there. If any one screwed up the entire family would be fired. Nobody screwed up.


7 posted on 06/04/2019 12:03:05 PM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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I remember an article long ago, in National Review. The author had worked in government, and described a conversation he/she had had with another government worker.

The subject of the conversation was public policy and how people could be coerced into doing something that the author’s interlocutor felt would be a public good.

The author had said “yes, but I’m not comfortable with the idea of forcing things down people’s throats.”

And the other person, a long-term bureaucrat, said “if you don’t like forcing things down people’s throats, you really don’t belong in the government.”


9 posted on 06/04/2019 12:07:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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It’s not productive to ‘make’ anybody do anything.
You create an environment where it is possible for them to do something, then you make it in their best interests to do it. Then, if they don’t, you fire their ass.


10 posted on 06/04/2019 12:09:37 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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Ultimately if you are leading an enterprise, it is necessary to communicate to your team what the goals are and the absolute expectation that each member of the team understands the goal, that he or she knows their duty and uses their skill and whatever time necessary to perform those duties and achieve that goal. they must also be made to understand that they will be accountable for poor performance. Leadership is not only expertise but the ability to communicate.

When it comes to politics there is no effective common leadership because there are no common goals or values. Not only is AOC stupid but her values are evil and warped. If she were an officer in the military would you follow her or feel confident in her judgment? There can only be effective leadership when there are common values and goals.


11 posted on 06/04/2019 12:10:23 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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This is really a key problem in management.

Granted, in some situations, people may be pretty replaceable. If the cashier at Burger King just refuses to perform a task, you can fire them and get another cashier. As the article states “I’ll Just Fire Them” is the go-to solution for some folks.

But that is not applicable in so many cases. If you have a basically competent employee who simply refuses to send in status reports, how do you make them send in status reports? Are you going to fire them over that? How replaceable is this employee? Probably not that replaceable.

Managing people through fear doesn’t work.
Getting people to do things they don’t want to do is tricky.

It’s hard in business.
It’s harder in politics.

Which is why a lot of politicians would like to manage people through violence. It makes things easier.

And that’s basically why we have the Second Amendment. Because the Founders understood that your overlord is likely to try and govern through violence if they think they can get away with it.


13 posted on 06/04/2019 12:15:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Well done. Tyranny, plain and simple, and at the end of a gun. Well said.


14 posted on 06/04/2019 12:17:04 PM PDT by RikaStrom (When picking allies, 2 things to consider: 1) Can they shoot, 2) Will they aim at your enemies?)
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Same way parents make their kids do something.

Incentive-Eat supper so you can have ice cream.
Penalty -Eat supper or go to time out
Choice- You can eat supper with milk or juice.

And when all else fails: Because I said so.


16 posted on 06/04/2019 12:24:02 PM PDT by Raycpa
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“I’ll just make them do this or that.”

Spoken like a true dictator. Reminds me of a scene in “X” THE MAN WITH THE X-RAY EYES.

“They better do what I say, or I’d hurt them!”


17 posted on 06/04/2019 12:28:02 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Three days in FB prison for this...'What was "IT"? A DNA XX or a DNA XY?')
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You are truly lucky if you get to work for a “good psychopath” boss. There is a psychopathia spectrum, and only those on the far extreme are potentially dangerous.

But a good psychopath boss is great to work for. Zero stress. No personal problems or issues. Worker morale is sky high, and everyone thinks they are the best boss they have ever worked for. Everyone knows where they stand.

So, importantly, they make *great* role models for supervisors and managers. Do what they do, and the way they do it, and you will probably be an effective boss.


19 posted on 06/04/2019 12:28:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("I'm mad, y'all" -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)
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“I’ll just make them do this or that.” - doesn't really work on most Americans.
We're a bit on the independent and rebellious side - if you haven't noticed.
22 posted on 06/04/2019 12:41:54 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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Its always interesting to see these very same folks reactions when they think others are making them do something they dont want to do,or not do something they want to do.

They dont want to be treated the way they have no problem treating others. They have no shame for their hypocrisy. They rationalize it away as being the superior intellect or moral arbitrater over everyone else.


23 posted on 06/04/2019 12:48:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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What does IJFT mean?

I Just Fixed That?


25 posted on 06/04/2019 12:49:36 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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Depimped version at https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3754461/posts


32 posted on 06/04/2019 1:12:41 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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I was a successful “change agent” at two different companies. The second company hired me because of my success at their supplier, the first company. Not once was I able to direct anyone to do something. I had to convince them that documenting their procedure and then changing it was in their interest.

And, that is the problem with AOC and her Green New Deal. Even the least astute among us can see that changing everything and doing away with cows would not be a good thing to do. What she proposed was beyond magical thinking. It was pure fantasy. Then, she did something I would never do in managing change; she threatened us. Do this or we all die in twelve years. One wonders how she arrived at twelve. I was told in the sixties that we would be in an ice age by 1970. We were told we would be out of oil by 1980...which became 1990, then 2000. Peak oil, you know. I am tired of the threats. (Obama told a group of CEO’s that if it weren’t for him a mob would burn them at the stake. Seriously. I’d have laughed at him.)


34 posted on 06/04/2019 1:14:23 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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“Most new managers misunderstand what the job means. Most focus on the position’s rights and privileges—not its duties.”

Every Management job I’ve ever held, be it in the Army or in the Civilian World came with MASSIVE duties. There were PRIVILEGES? How did I miss THOSE? ;)

But, you LEAD by EXAMPLE. My Soldiers/EMPLOYEES SAW ME emptying the trash, cleaning the bathrooms, running to the bank (Oh, Joy!) working later than I had to, making sure they had the TOOLS they needed for any assigned tasks I gave them, be it a shovel, a well-oiled forklift or a Grenade Launcher. ;)

When your Soldiers/Staff SEE that YOU will go the extra mile for them, they will return the favor. You’re NOT going to garner their respect and trust by sitting in your office with your feet up on the desk barking orders!

Oh, and food always helps, LOL! I always made sure my troops were well fed and I always brought treats for my employees and we had a lot of fun pot luck lunches. I couldn’t PAY them what they were worth, so I fed them.

And I THANKED THEM on a daily basis for all of their hard work. We were a TEAM - we were all in this together to make it work. Those that didn’t, didn’t last long. ;)


43 posted on 06/04/2019 3:16:12 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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As a teacher, this really strikes a chord, because "making" students today do anything is pretty much impossible. The teacher version of IJFT is "just kick them out" (of the classroom.) But you can't. The office will just "counsel them" briefly, and send them right back to you again, usually smirking. Or there's "I'll Just Flunk Them." They don't care. As long as they get to stay in your room and disrupt, and be defiant, nothing you can do, nothing, nothing, nothing, makes a dent in their attitude. "I'll Call Their Parents?" Their mom and her boyfriend, you mean? Well, Mom isn't answering her phone any more. Junior is your problem all day and she is grateful he's out of the house. She doesn't care if he kills you as long as she is not inconvenienced.

You just have to win them over, or die trying.

44 posted on 06/04/2019 5:52:59 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady ( Political correctness forbids discussing any negative outcomes of Left-wing ideology. -PMcL)
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