Posted on 06/04/2019 6:19:05 AM PDT by vannrox
Way back in 1998, I ended up with one of the neatest jobs that I had assessing risks to a major corporation. The Internet was new at work, and I was being paid to research potential disasters. It was so interesting and so much fun I felt guilty. In researching disasters and risk, I came across Y2K. For those that dont remember, there was a concern that, as a result of programmers only using two digits to store year information in computers, that many computers and computer programs would cease to function when the calendar flipped over to 00.
There were multiple websites and personalities that were writing about Y2K, and one that I went to from time to time was Cory Hamasakis Y2K Weather Report. Hamasaki was a programmer (he has since passed away) and he had an inside perspective of the ongoing work that was required to keep the systems working. As a result of his insider knowledge he bought an AR, a lot of food, and spent New Years Eve at his remote cabin.
Obviously, the systems kept working.
Not my original. And Im sorry.
We live, however, in spicy times, with the potential for them becoming even spicier (I got the Spicy Time meme from Western Rifle Shooters (LINK), which really should be on your daily reading list). Ive written several articles about the potential for Civil War, and studied and thought quite a bit about it. As such, this is the inaugural edition of John Wilders Civil War II Weather Report. I anticipate putting it out monthly. This first issue will probably be a bit longer than later issues, since Im putting the framework together and explaining the background.
Im attempting to put together a framework that measures where we are on the continuum between peace and war. Ill even try to develop some sort of measures that show if the level of danger is increasing or decreasing. Civil wars dont happen all at once, and like a strong storm, they require the atmosphere to be right. A weather report is probably a good metaphor.
If you havent seen it, the guy with the trident was the weatherman in Anchorman. And when he has a trident? People die.
So, to review the future, lets start by looking at Civil War I so we understand what happened, and what the potential differences are.
Civil War I was:
Civil War II is different because:
Civil War I was:
Civil War II is different because:
Civil War I was:
Civil War II is different because:
Civil War I was:
Civil War II is different because:
Civil War I was:
Civil War II is different because:
I decided to see what other studies had been done about more recent civil wars, and found that James Fearon and David Laitin (from Stanford) did a study in 2003 on civil wars during the 20th Century (LINK). Heres what they found:
Why do civil wars develop? Its my bet that political scientists are like economists six political scientists will generate 15 incorrect theories over coffee each morning, although I, for one, have no idea why we would think we would have a more stable country if we import people who keep having civil wars all of the time. Fearon and Laitin came up with three different types of civil wars:
Okay, I dont know who the originator was of this meme, but it still cracks me up.
Civil wars were non-existent in ethnically homogeneous and rich countries during the time period of Fearon and Laitins study. As the United States was essentially ethnically homogeneous and rich during Civil War I, you can see that, just like the Revolution, something unique was going on here. We decided to fight over principles.
Fearon and Laitin had several graphs that pointed out that increased wealth makes up for a portion of ethnic diversity wealthier, non-homogeneous societies were less likely to go to war than poorer non-homogeneous ones. Oddly, the very poorest ($48 to $800 a year) societies were less likely to go to war than societies that made just a little more money. I guess just living was tough enough and going to war against other people who also had nothing was pointless.
One conclusion that Laitin and Fearon found was that civil war onset was no less frequent in a democracy. Discrimination is not linked to civil war. Income inequality is not linked to civil war. Grievances arent the cause of civil war theyre caused by civil wars. What are risk the factors?
Okay, not directly on point, but my primary export is memes.
So where does the United States stand as a country today? I guess Id throw out the thought that the first prerequisite for Civil War II is economic stress. Why? Average Joe wont pick up an AR to go kill people in the next county if Joe has beer in the cooler and another episode of Naked and Afraid® next week. If Joe has a job and a wife and a mortgage, well, there just wont be action. I meant war, silly. Get your mind out of the gutter. Our risk now is relatively low based on economics.
The United States is developing a higher absolute population. That puts us at risk.
With immigration, the United States is forming a higher proportion of young males. That puts us at risk.
State weakness is generally correlated with civil wars. Im torn on this one. On one hand, we have the largest number of laws ever, along with a very large enforcement mechanism. On the other? Laws, both state and Federal are increasingly just ignored. Victor Davis Hanson describes this paradox in California (LINK).
Nearby civil wars are associated with having a civil war. Latin America is a civil war factory . . . so were at risk.
From the above five predictors of civil war, we have four of them. Obviously this doesnt tell the whole story. The United States has a peaceful history, and, unlike a less established nation, the general populace is going to assume that today was good, so tomorrow will be pretty good, too. And, generally thats a good way to predict the future: tomorrow will look like today. Building the conditions for civil wars generally take years and what was abnormal becomes normal and tolerated as time goes by.
Im going to attempt to try to make a metric showing the rise in various societal factors that I think might lead to civil war. Some of the obvious are:
Yeah, you just cant add the North and the South together and end up with a Civil War. Unless you do it in binary, then you could have a Bipolar War?
Ill then combine them into an index. If you have other items that you think can be tracked and should be tracked, let me know, and I may incorporate them, especially if theyre easy find and to incorporate, because Im lazy.
Finally, Civil War wont show up all at once, it may take years to get people to the idea that war is better than dealing with your weird neighbor by going into your house and watching a marathon of YouTube® videos where people turn $40 of propane and a bunch of aluminum cans into $10 worth of aluminum ingots. Its easier than fighting, right?
Following is my take on the steps that will lead to actual civil war. I humbly call it the Wilder Countdown to Civil War II.
I bolded number six. Thats where I think we are right now. Violence is occurring, but its not monthly, so I dont think were at step seven. Yet. And I think we can live at step nine for a long time as long as we dont have the bottom drop out of the economy. Might there be some trigger that takes us to nine in a hurry? Sure. But Im willing to bet that we see it take a few years, rather than a few months. My bet is no sooner than 2024, but Ive been wrong before, way back in 1989.
This is a project where Im not only very open to contributions and anonymous contributions, Im actively soliciting them. Let me know if youve got commentary, criticism, news stories, or suggestions to make issue two (probably in early July) better, either down below or at my email, movingnorth@gmail.com
While we cant predict catastrophic storms with 100% accuracy, its probably about time that someone started looking at the horizon to see what they could see. Because I see what might be a storm coming.
> It will be like the Troubles in N. Ireland. No one is going to tolerate any type of mass organized armies roaming around, causing chaos. <
I think you’ve got it right. There will be no civil war in the foreseeable future, for the reasons I mentioned in my post #13.
But the Troubles, yes. If a few flag-waving conservatives would wander into the wrong neighborhood, bad things would happen. If a few antifa types would wander into the wrong neighborhood, bad things would happen.
And maybe somebody from group A would decide to throw a bomb through the window of Group B’s headquarters.
But huge militias maneuvering against each other? That’s just a fantasy, for now at least. In a hundred years, who knows?
Would they have the ability to close their doors?
6. People actively avoid being near those of opposing ideology. Might move from communities or states just because of ideology.
That’s why I left California...
Wasnt a hoax. The reason nothing happened was that the problem was addressed before hand. I was one of those addressing the problem.
What do you mean “hoax”
I have been in this bunker for 19 years.
Can I come out now???
Exactly right. Talk of CWII is as much a fantasty for some as desiring to live a post-apocalyptic society is for other.
The ill-fated Tea Party offers a good reference for what CWII would be like - a few loudmouths jostling to be in charge and raising money off the rubes.
As for analogies, about half the US today is happy as can be with the status quo. Their only complaint about government is they can’t buy beer with EBT and upgrade their Obamaphone to an S10.
“NPR is the propaganda wing for the DNC. “
And we pay for it.
As a career Info Tech person - Y@K forced us to fix all of our systems and give them a good over haul tune up that I feel the zenith of computer reliability was 1998-1999.
Things have been down hill ever since. Rapid Application Development methodologies result in systems that were not tested to consider all possible outcomes, hence they fail and people (user group) have grown to expect that machines die, re-boot, won’t down load, won’t let you enter correct data.
Cheap hardware has given us more storage and faster machines, but resulted in bloated software that runs slower than 20 years ago.
Y2K was not a hoax, but the possible negative outcomes of the design flaw of a 2 year date were significantly over blown and hyped by hardware, software & services vendors. The problem was always going to basically be that your 3-year report was not going to sort right. Or grabbing 3 years of data was going to struggle for a few years till the 1990s aged out and they have now, so we could go back to 2 year dates if we felt like it.
Y2K got me pretty good. When I went to reset the calendar in the computer, I mistakenly typed in 1900 instead of 2000. Within a few days I started getting spam from the Committee to Re-Elect Calvin Coolidge, porn shots of President Harding boinking his secret girlfriends, and investment advice from David Sarnoff.
I’d fix it, but the investment advice has been fantastic. I’m making money hand over fist, although I’m leveraged up to my eyeballs.
Which is why it is good to listen to it. So you know what they're thinking and can better defend against it.
And still, sometimes, our "Shift" keys play tricks on us :-)
A slow breakup...
Florida’s a Republican State - we should be able to limit democrats moving here. California’s a liberal State - they should have the right to restrict new Republicans moving to their State... After a white we have two countries...
Inflation of basic necessity prices should be on the list.
I wonder how democrats would feel if Trump switched NPR to ‘all conservative - all the time’... and put Rush Limbaugh in charge of programming. THEN DEMANDED ALL CITIZEN SUPPORT THE STATION FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
Bump for later.
I was a Cobol programmer using punch cards that helped create the scare.
Agreed, I worked on Y2K, and the incredible HYPE about it was something of a hoax. People making millions off of fear mongering. While some banked millions, plenty of us worked behind the scenes to make sure sh*t didn't hit the fan.
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