Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”
Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.
He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”
“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”
Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:
“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”
See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.
That first part sounds like a bit of double talk.
But there cannot be denial, contradiction, or abrogation of doctrine.
Yet there has been. In fact, there has been a creation of doctrine on many of the topics.
My pastor and my bishop both know where I stand, and have expressed confidence in my ability to teach Catholic doctrine correctly. I value their confidence because I consult them honestly in carrying out my duties in the parish.
Yet you didn't recognize, or want to acknowledge, what O'Brien was saying until I gave you several other examples showing his writings were correct.
He's not some obscure, unknown RC priest. Perhaps to you, but not to others.
I have found that many of the RCs on these threads....you included I might add, are not as familiar with some of the finer details of the writings of many RCs.
And it's in those details that much of the false doctrine of Roman Catholicism is found....when compared to Scripture.
Well, it's late and it's been a long day.
Hope you have a good evening.
I really do enjoy these conversations. I do learn a lot from them.
It was your post that was pulled. In it you admitted you were ‘sort of setting a trqp’. Honesty is foreign to you?
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Since I can’t access the post you’re referring to I can’t critique it, but the fact it was pulled doesn’t bother me at all. State specifically what you claim I have been dishonest about and I’ll be happy to respond. Otherwise buzz off and stop bothering me.
Well, like this, on a different thread.. Some people think St. Peter was a widower at the time that Jesus cured his dying mother-in-law. Some people think contrariwise, that he had his wife with him the whole time until they were both martyred, as the historian Eusebius said, in Rome.
Catholic could have either opinion. It's not de fide, a doctrine of the faith.
As for creative restatement, that's what this whole Religion Forum is about! And most of the content of Christian blogs and Christian bookstores. That's what all the Sunday sermons are all about: creative restatement of known truths.
Or do you think we should write and say nothing whatsoever except Scripture quotes verbatim? I'm writing kiddingly, I know you don't think that. It's 10:30, and I gotta be up early. Good night and God bless.
If it’s that important to you, you can have the last word.
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What are you talking about? What “it” are you referring to? You’re comments are basically incoherent!
I understand the basics of Catholicism pretty well which is why I left it and its false and accursed gospel almost 50 years ago.
personally as a Catholic I feel that I have a more than sufficient assurance of salvation already, I do my best to live in a state of Grace but Christ Jesus is my final and only judge in that regard and I cannot presume that from Him.
So, you think you are saved by your faith PLUS your good works which maintain your "state of grace". I don't believe you have the faintest idea what GRACE really means.
No one is denying that we have eternal life where one spends that eternity, Heaven or Hell is the question.
So, you're contending that when Jesus said he gives us eternal life, he might be referring to eternity life in hell??? Seriously?
Boasting that God has promised you , your pals or anyone else for that matter an eternity in Heaven is what is presumptuous and that could go sideways on you. Just sayin...
You know the saying, "It's not bragging if it's true."? Scripture teaches us that NO ONE can boast that they are saved because it is by the grace of God THROUGH faith and that not of ourselves, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. (see Ephesians 2:8,9). To claim assurance of salvation is trusting what GOD promises, not what I do to merit it. How could anyone boast about receiving a gift? What I think is presumptuous would be thinking you can maintain your own state of grace and do enough that you could boast saying, "I feel that I have a more than sufficient assurance of salvation" by what you do. Scripture clearly says for example, if Abraham was justified by his works he could boast - but NOT before God.
Think about how joyful your life could be if you had the confidence that you were held by the hands of God and NOTHING can pluck you out of them. Think about how much more fulfilling your life could be if you started living for God out of love and gratitude for His amazing grace and not because you fear going to hell.
LOL, you so mean ... ‘Mommy, he’s looking at me.’ Don’t take the mark when it is commanded to you in order to buy or sell. Just don’t take the mark.
Nobody participated in Jesus Christ's sacrifice to begin with, except for those who crucified him...Where do you get that you now participate in his once for all sacrifice???
Because Christ’s one sacrifice culminated in everlasting glory, he continues to offer it in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf (Heb. 8:1-3). That’s why he holds his priesthood permanently (Heb. 7:23-25), even now interceding on our behalf (Heb. 9:23-24).
Not according to the scriptures...
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Bible says Jesus doesn't need to be sacrifice daily for any Catholic's sins...He did it once, and that covered everyone for all time...
Because Christ’s one sacrifice culminated in everlasting glory, he continues to offer it in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf (Heb. 8:1-3).
That's NOT what the verse says...
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
The reference is to Jesus being a high priest in heaven comparing him to priests in the Jewish priesthood...They offered gifts and blood...The verse says Jesus also as a high priest needed to offer something as well...
There is nothing at all that hints that Jesus would become a sacrifice again or that he continues to offer his once sacrifice for all continually...It's not there...
So what does the high priest offer??? He offers a gift...And what is the gift??? All you had to do to know is to read the scripture instead of posting a script from you Catholic apologists...
The gift is not a continual sacrifice...The gift is a new covenant...
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Jesus’ one sacrifice is made sacramentally present and offered anew at every Mass according to the order of Melchizedek, i.e., under the forms of bread and wine (Gen. 14:18-20
Melchizedek didn't have anything to do with any Mass...Melchizedek gave Abram and his hungry and thirsty men some bread and wine and blessed them...
Gen 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
I think that my ‘pals’ and I are just fine, despite your delightfully condescending remarks.
Jesus died for us, and as the Word of God states, “these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
And, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.” That’s from Jesus himself.
And, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
And again from our Lord: “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.”
If you want to call God a liar by saying that he didn’t REALLY mean what he plainly said...
Well, you’re playing a dangerous game. But that’s on your soul, not mine. My conscience is clean.
Considering that you’ve been reduced to a state of incoherent ranting and personal attacks, I really see no reason to converse with you further.
I told you what Scripture says; in my last post I told you even more of what Scripture and Jesus himself says about salvation.
If you wanna call God a liar, that’s on your soul, not mine. I warned you; my conscience is clear.
Go ahead and insult me one more time if it makes you feel better; peace out broski.
Considering "the Mass practiced by Roman Catholicism" PREDATES the completion of Scripture by well over a century, that would be rather difficult for this to occur without the use of time travel. The earliest WRITTEN account of a Catholic Mass dates back to around 155 A.D., cited by Justin Martyr in his First Apology. (there were Masses before that date, just the details of earlier Masses were not preserved in writing)
New Testament bible canon wasn't complied and affirmed by Christians universally until about 390 A.D.
Apparently those Christians back then didn't get the memo that "The Mass as practiced by Roman Catholicism is in contradiction of Scripture". Thankfully protestants would show up well over 1000 years later to realize that "fact". Too bad you guys weren't around to inform the rest of Christdom back in the 300s, when people were totally fine with Catholic masses being performed worldwide.
I don't think you want to go down the road of appealing to the fallible early church fathers on this issue...or many others.
Justin does not say what you want him to say, unless you just pull a quote out of context.
You do realize that all of the books in the canon were completed prior to 100 AD....right?
You do realize Paul's writings were already accorded the status of Scripture by ~66 AD....right?
New Testament bible canon wasn't complied and affirmed by Christians universally until about 390 A.D.
Well, you've already shown a lack of knowledge on this topic so why stop here.
Apparently those Christians back then didn't get the memo that "The Mass as practiced by Roman Catholicism is in contradiction of Scripture".
If you're trying to say the believers in the early church were conducting the Lord's Supper, as it is called in Scripture, just like Roman Catholicism is today, then you've lost whatever credibility you may have had. But you really lost it in your first paragraph.
Are you a Roman Catholic?
Are you a Roman Catholic?
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No, I’m a human. Actually I’m a very traditionalist Roman Catholic, albeit with a great love for Eastern Orthodoxy, particularly Russian monasticism. And you?
“If the pope goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church, he ceases in that moment to be a Catholic teacher.”
The last several popes have knowingly allowed gays to infest the Vatican, knew of the homo sexual abuse of children, etc.
Did they cease being Catholic teachers in the moment they looked the other way?
“Nobody participated in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice to begin with, except for those who crucified him...Where do you get that you now participate in his once for all sacrifice???
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So are you willing to debate on the merits of what I actually believe,
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Well, I’m waiting breathlessly for you to enlighten me regarding the merits of what you “actually believe”. So what’s wrong Dude, Devil got hold of your tongue?
Don’t whine at me just because we’re not following your Roman ‘how to talk down to Christians’ script.
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Actually I think I was following it quite well!
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