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Jordan Peterson on Catholicism: ‘That’s as sane as people can get’
LifeSiteNews ^ | May 27, 2019 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”

Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.

He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”

“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”

Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:

“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”

See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.


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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think godless Catholicism, where we are today, is worse than what you listed.

Here’s why.

In the past, Catholics attended church and tried to do the right and moral things.

Yes, we could discuss the failures theologically and largest failure of losing the Gospel, but that is a different form of godliness. Here I refer only to outward godliness.

Today, Roman leadership is compromised at all levels, is largely gay, largely accepts gay priests and leaders.

Rome remains the largest “Christian” denomination.

Yes, we could cut it in half to represent who actually attends, but that is a different conversation.

Rome is perceived as Christian and the big dog.

For these reasons and others, godless Catholicism is a huge failure.


101 posted on 05/30/2019 3:17:23 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: amihow; metmom
Who’s right? If there is a creator who is omniscient and omnipotent and love and that creator gave his creatures freedom and those creatures abused it and then the creator came down to be a creature and show them how to live and die starting with the Old Testament and gave his friends a mandate to love as he loved and gave them a New Testament to fulfill the Old and a church with power to teach infallibly and a promise that that Church would last until the end of time sounds like the Catholic Church to me and Peterson is right. They cannot all or both be right.

If by "Catholic Church" you mean the universal, called-out assembly of all those who are believers in Jesus Christ and who are members of His body and bride, then I would agree - to a point. The New Testament IS the authority by which those God has called to be pastor/teachers within their local congregations can teach the Divinely-revealed truth. If by Catholic Church you mean the Roman Catholic Church, then I would disagree for many obvious reasons.

102 posted on 05/30/2019 3:23:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: ealgeone

Do not forget John the Baptist was not Jesus who delegated the representatives of the Church he founded and those delegates successors are historically known.

The Catholic Church itself recognizes the partial, but not entire
inclusion of all Christians in its fold.


103 posted on 05/30/2019 3:58:41 PM PDT by amihow
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The dude’s dancing around the now old circumstance of recognizing the value and importance of religion, but not believing the fundamental underpinnings.


104 posted on 05/30/2019 4:00:50 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

No, you fail by expecting an encyclopedia of what you think proof. It is insane to play on Peterson.

Do your homework.


105 posted on 05/30/2019 4:01:24 PM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow

No. I did not ask for “an encyclopedia.”

I asked you to post three things that prove your big claim.

amihow, you couldn’t even come up with one.

And you a priest.

Not surprised. It was just unsupported bloviating.


106 posted on 05/30/2019 4:43:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Do your homework. You need to badly. I cannot do it for you.


107 posted on 05/30/2019 5:14:43 PM PDT by amihow
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To: cornelis

Where is it then?

Please post a link.


108 posted on 05/30/2019 5:30:23 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: amihow; aMorePerfectUnion

You made a claim.

It’s your responsibility to back it up if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Why should any one of us go chasing around to prove something you claim is true that we don’t believe?

Don’t be lazy.


109 posted on 05/30/2019 5:39:08 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I have given sources that can answer your sincerely asked questions. No one person can do your job for you on this forum.

Talk about lazy. LOL.

I have read about all this to be able to articulate some logical demonstrations, but can’t do your job.


110 posted on 05/30/2019 5:46:11 PM PDT by amihow
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Catholicism as a whole does not practice what it preaches.

“Official church doctrine” is meaningless if nobody is going to be bothered following it.

Talk is cheap and people who don’t follow what they say they believe are known as hypocrites.

The fact that some do to some degree is irrelevant in light of the antics of the Catholic hierarchy.

And the claim of longevity being proof of the church’s validity is ludicrous. Catholics love to quote about the gates of hell not prevailing against their preferred denomination, but why would Satan want to destroy it. He knows that official doctrine means nothing since nobody is following it, and what with the long term sexual escapades of the clergy, why would he want to stop them.

Nothing can ruin a life like sexual abuse, and doing it in the name of Christ is evil beyond comprehension.


111 posted on 05/30/2019 5:47:27 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: amihow
Do your homework. You need to badly. I cannot do it for you.

😂

We have a priest who cannot give simple evidence to validate his claim.

As it turns out, your claim is all bun and no beef.

112 posted on 05/30/2019 5:55:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amd you’re a teacher in Catholicism! Amazing how you can ignore ALL the repeated reference JESUS made to believing as the way God imparts salvation and leap to just the most carnal fen you can as means to defend the blasphemies you participate in at Mass. Brother in Christ? I am now really wondering if you know The Risen Christ, Who is the Great High Priest IN HEAVEN, drawing life from The Spirit not the blood. I’m not your brother, the degenerates and pedophiles and liars feeding mass myths to your ilk are your brothers, in your religion. Your pedophile priests are no more able to ‘bring Jesus from Heaven’ to your pagan Catholic altars as your victim to feed upon than you are able to leap to the Moon.


113 posted on 05/30/2019 5:58:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums

I’m afraid Dwight Moody missed the revealed life of Paul (previously Saul of Tarsus).


114 posted on 05/30/2019 5:59:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
That's certainly true, aMPU, in the sense that "Of those to whom more has been given, more will be required. Nobody has ever been given more than the Catholic Church: it is infinitely priceless, what we have been given, and thus correspondingly great what God requires of us, and correspondingly grievous our falling short.

"As it is written, the Name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles, because of you."

St. Pope Pius IX(IX? I think) said "All the problems in the world are caused by lukewarm Catholics."

As St. Augustine (Bishop) said, "Corruptio Optimi pessima" "The corruption of the best, is the worst." It has ever been thus, even in the days of Israels anointed kings, patriarchs and prophets. But that doesn't make it any better.

115 posted on 05/30/2019 6:01:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: amihow; ealgeone; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; metmom; Iscool; Elsie
May God have mercy! You just tried to abscond with The Vody of Christ and drag it into the Catholic fen! ...

The Catholic Church itself recognizes the partial, but not entire inclusion of all Christians in its fold.

'Its fold? Are you yet so dull? The real question is how much of the Catholic fold will be counted in the great departure coming soon? And of the vast majority left behind, will those CATHOLICS then swallow their blasphemous pride and cry out to Jesus alone for their salvation, discarding the pride-filled works of sacrasmental foolery they were counting on as their merits?

116 posted on 05/30/2019 6:06:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Incarnation, my dear MGH. Incarnantion, not carnality.

And if you are going to seize onto pedophile priests, and slime the whole vast and holy Catholic People of God with their crimes , I cannot speak more to you, since you lack right judgment.

117 posted on 05/30/2019 6:07:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Luircin

No, you got nothing.

No bonifides,

No councils,

No authority,

No credibility,

No clue.

7


118 posted on 05/30/2019 6:13:45 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
the INCARNATION is in Heaven as my Great High Priest. HE is GOD, not some bloody continuously slaughtered victim for you Catholics to feed upon. In carnation is God The Son and He is not being lead around by the degenerates of your religion.

DON'T TAKE THE MARK when it is offered to you.

And don't call me dear. I am not your friend or relative. I am calling you out from the pagan religion of Catholiciism, as a 'Paul Revere' not your dear. You can't even recognize the carnality as it dangles before you! And yes the priesthood of your religion is replete with sexual degenerates and liars and drunkards and thieves. Some leadership you value, woman.

119 posted on 05/30/2019 6:15:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: infool7

And ‘you got no Risen Jesus’. Die with it and you get the reward of hell.


120 posted on 05/30/2019 6:16:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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