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"Avengers: Endgame" (Thoughts with no spoilers)
self | 4/29/2019 | LS

Posted on 04/29/2019 7:08:43 AM PDT by LS

I promise, I won't give away any details or main plot twists. My take on the movie? Meh.

As a wrapup, it definitely did the job, tying up---for good or bad---virtually all of the character lines.

As an action pic it was ok. There was as much if not more humor in this than others. Something about it just didn't work for me.

Again---and this is predictable so I'm not giving anything away---at the end of "Infinity Wars," the "SNAP" caused 1/2 of the universe to disappear. The film begins years later as the Avengers, like everyone else, is trying to cope with the loss of loved ones.

Part 1 is the Avengers getting the will and the plan to combat the "SNAP."

Part 2 is them achieving the means.

Part 3 is the expected battle.

Josh Brolin stole "Infinity Wars" by being somewhat altruistic. Like any good totalitarian dictator, he can fix all problems if he has infinite power. His sadness and (apparently genuine) despondency over the burden of doing this came through and drove the character. That largely disappears in "Endgame," where he becomes what all dictators are, impetuous, unchecked, lacking any moral compass save his own.

One good device the plot uses is to divide up the very large heroic cast into several smaller teams, which is always good to watch different heroes interact with each other. The addition of "Captain Marvel" is handled well.

Just one note on the final battle: It's as if Thanos all of a sudden forgets he has the stones (literally) especially space and time and power. He's like Muhammad Ali drawn into the middle of the ring to trade punches with George Foreman. Ain't a winning strategy.

Despite the attempts to make Robert Downy, Jr. the star, Chris Hemsworth again emerges as the most likeable character. Not nearly as much of the "Guardians" as I'd like.

I will spoil this one minor scene because it shows the current makeup of Hollywood: during the first act when all are depressed, repressed, suppressed, oppressed, sittin' on the Group W. bench (as Arlo Guthrie used to sing), Tony Stark is leading a therapy group. One guy says, "I wasn't able to date for 2 years. I finally went on a date." Stark: "What did you talk about?" Him: "Well, we talked about the disappearances, then HE started to cry, then . . . ." Sigh.

So the insertion of homosexuality into a scene were it was absolutely not necessary whatsoever is just one more reminder that Hollywood's homosecual community can inject gay-ism into a rock.


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To: SeekAndFind
I heard that Dr. Strange’s powers played a significant role in the picture.

Uh, oh. Guys like Dr. Strange (or Dr. Fate and The Spectre in the DC universe) are often used as a Deus ex Machina device when the writer writes himself into a corner.
61 posted on 04/29/2019 8:27:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Do the Green Arrow, Green Lantern and Green Hornet tell kids to recycle their used weapons?

I think Green Arrow mostly just alerts people when it's safe to turn left. Not much of a super power, really.

62 posted on 04/29/2019 8:29:30 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
That’s the problem with a Superman equivalent. There’s no need for anyone else.

All I will say to this is ... watch Endgame.

63 posted on 04/29/2019 8:31:00 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: LS

I was watching it at home and it looked like all the characters were a bit cartoonish.


64 posted on 04/29/2019 8:31:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Only a Replacement Wall? Ann Coulter is deeply saddened.)
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To: LS

Thanos after smashing Captain America for being a wuss, the other Avengers cheered him on and offered him a membership which he accepted.


65 posted on 04/29/2019 8:32:57 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Jeff Chandler
Let me ask you this: Would this story be as powerful without CGI?

Probably the best of the Marvel universe movies was Captain America: Winter Soldier, and they deliberately minimized CGI as much as they could. It's also the most red-pilled of the movies, going into Operation Paperclip and the Deep State. Still have some physics defying moments, but good movie.

66 posted on 04/29/2019 8:41:23 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: LS
I watched it Friday. Not bad, a little confusing with all the characters. But, after five years they haven't gotten over the loss of their comrades? And the world would probably be better of if half the population disappeared (Thanos did nothing wrong - Change my mind!). And you know superheros never die:

https://youtu.be/wn5K9S3kNo4

67 posted on 04/29/2019 8:47:16 AM PDT by CtBigPat (Qanon - Please be real...)
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To: apillar

#27 ...there was absolutely no way in some huge battle that all the gals would suddenly get together for one attack”.

They had to coordinate their outfits and hair & makeup before they battled the bad guys..... : )


68 posted on 04/29/2019 8:50:47 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: cuban leaf
And...there’s the pretzel logic.

I didn't like "Infinity War" for precisely this reason. Apart from the silly idea that stones would control souls, time and space, etc. and then this stupid gauntlet would just link them all together into a mega weapon, the story was just too over the top even by the standards of fantasy.

You get a weapon like that, it's game over. There is no fixing it. It's done.

69 posted on 04/29/2019 8:55:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: LS
I thought Captain Marvel was the weakest of any character except Black Panther. But in this case, the movie needed her.

Self fulfilling prophecy. They deliberately wrote it in such a way so that they needed her.

Make no mistake, they wanted to stick an Uber Warrior Princess into the plot because they have to try to shove their stupid social justice warrior bullsh*t down everyone's throat.

Captain Marvel was a man. This Carol Danvers character was a big nothing until around 2012, when uber "woke" Marvel decided to turn her into a super hero.


70 posted on 04/29/2019 9:06:36 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: reed13k
There has been a trend for years to move toward the darker more ‘realistic’ characters and plots. The introduction of anti-heroes etc. I firmly believe that the reason Marvel has done such a better job in the box office is they didn’t go major dark where DC has. They kept some humor n the films true, but more importantly they kept the ideals in place of what we expect in heroes - what we can achieve when we are the best of us.

That is exactly my theory on why DC movies have done so poorly. I point out that the Christopher Reeve Superman was a huge success. He was happy, cheerful, patriotic, and had a strong sense of justice.

The Reboot Superman characters have all been dark, neurotic, verging on suicide, and unhappy. I think the reason DC movies went to the dark side was because of the huge success of the Tim Burton Batman series. Those were huge hits in their day, and so they decided dark was good for the box office, but this worked for Batman, who was originally conceived as a dark character anyways, but it absolutely does not work for Superman.

Happy, light, humorous is the better approach, and that is why Marvel movies have been doing so much better than DC movies.

71 posted on 04/29/2019 9:12:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yep. It reminds me of the last Star Wars movie that broke hyperspace. If she was able to user her jump to hyperspace to do the damage she did, it would have been a weapon to be wielded in all the other movies. Just shoot a little ship through the Death Star, etc...

It was stupid there, and it’s stupid here.

This is why I couldn’t get through an entire episode of Altered Carbon. There were way too many loopholes in the logic. The myriad of plot holes ruined it. And in the first episode.


72 posted on 04/29/2019 9:13:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Teacher317
Kinda/sorta, yeah. His Gaunlet Snap in the last film was supposed to save the many worlds from the overuse of their resources. (Sound familiar?) Nice of the Marvel folks to install the idea of a benevolent reason to kill billions.

The left always seems to be doing battle space preparation. Yes, they like to get us normies accustomed to the idea of killing lots of people, especially dissidents.

Ever see this Public Service Announcement created by some of the "Global Warming" fanatics?

https://youtu.be/AsbqoytInTY

If you haven't seen it, you wouldn't have believed they could have ever been so bold.

73 posted on 04/29/2019 9:23:19 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

It actually started in the 80s with comics and has moved steadily in that direction for the past 30 years. Part of it was a desire to capture the adult audience - which was a great idea.

But they also changed the distribution of comics so that they were no longer in the everyday groceries, drug stores, etc; instead being direct to specialty stores and subscription only.

Once they did that their main audiences were no longer kids and the genre has gotten more and more adult oriented and darker. The success of a few anti-heroes became the publishers chasing after more of the same (similar to when Hollywood does genre chasing on movies) trying to top the last.

Circulation and sales (quantity and not $) of books is massively lower then it was prior to direct distribution. Books run as much as $5/piece now - which is why I never buy anything new and only back issues (usually for pennies on the dollar)

I think Marvel realized they weren’t just going for an adult crowd and adjusted accordingly. The Burton Batman’s I think were appropriately fit to the character, but the Superman movies have definitely not been reflective of what he stood for. I think this is also why the Wonder Woman movie did so well - it was reflective of what the character stands for and didn’t try to adopt the darker mood.


74 posted on 04/29/2019 9:28:03 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: Teacher317
Nice of the Marvel folks to install the idea of a benevolent reason to kill billions.

Did you miss the part where he's the villain?

75 posted on 04/29/2019 9:30:16 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: LS

Went to see the movie on Saturday with my 12 year old grandson. He did not think the film was good. On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it 3 stars.


76 posted on 04/29/2019 9:35:03 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: cuban leaf
Yep. It reminds me of the last Star Wars movie that broke hyperspace. If she was able to user her jump to hyperspace to do the damage she did, it would have been a weapon to be wielded in all the other movies. Just shoot a little ship through the Death Star, etc... It was stupid there, and it’s stupid here.

Yup. It pretty much unzipped every plot since the very beginning of Star Wars. It was effectively an ill thought out "Deus ex Machina."

Hyperdrive torpedoes now make any ship, no matter how big, destroyable by a much smaller ship.

77 posted on 04/29/2019 9:38:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Rummyfan

As a rationalist, I always pick at the completely unreal physics behind what these people can supposedly do. If Superman took off at the rate that he did, it would create a massive earthquake on the tiny plot of ground from which he launched himself. And what propels him?


78 posted on 04/29/2019 9:41:29 AM PDT by fwdude (Think about it: Blacks were made slaves in Africa, but were made free men in America.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Did you miss the part where he's the villain?

When you are trying to put forth the idea that billions of people need to be killed because of resource depletion, you have to present the idea as that of a villain, while all the while not attacking the underlying premise justifying it.

The point here is to get the audience to accept the underlying premise, and once you accomplish that, you can "evolve" this perception of this from being a "bad" idea, into a "necessary" one.

79 posted on 04/29/2019 9:44:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Teacher317
5. There's a hyper-gratuitous "Girl Power" moment that just feels way over-the-top, but will likely make your gal squeal for a moment.

Not just one moment; a set up for an all-girl superhero Avengers in the future. Tony Stark's kid is girl as is Hawkeye's oldest kid. Another SJW moment is when Captain America passes the shield to a new Captain America who is black. I noticed a few more things like these during movie but can't think of them right now. Hollyweird is far too woke.

80 posted on 04/29/2019 9:51:02 AM PDT by Boomer (One can be an American or a Democrat but never both; not since Zero was elected anyway.)
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