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Posted on 04/10/2019 10:11:03 AM PDT by romanesq
During the 2018 Midterms in the United States, strange signs started appearing at political rallies. Held up by non-descript attendees, the signs read simply, We are Q. For those Trekkers out there, you might be confused: no, these rallygoers were not making an oblique reference to the infamous Star Trek: The Next Generation character portrayed by John de Lancie. The group appeared from the fringes of internet chat rooms, such as on the website of 4Chan, a peculiar mixture of cyberpunks and various online misfits.
Q is derived from an anonymous poster on the internet forum, a source claiming to have a top secret clearance with the U.S. intelligence community. This person (or group of people) spun an intricate conspiracy theory that many Far Right activists on gonzo internet forums picked up and began disseminating to wider audiences online and in their communities.
The conspiracy goes like this: the real purpose of the Robert Mueller special counsel investigation was not to investigate Donald Trump, but instead to investigate Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and people like former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta. The QAnon conspiracy theory is far-reaching, with new pieces added with regularity, in the form of what Q supporters refer to as breadcrumbs. One such addition to the conspiracy theory last year was that the Mueller probe was also looking into the now-deceased Senator John McCain (R-AZ) for his illegal activities.
What is the ultimate end of the QAnon conspiracy; what does Mueller hope to achieve, according to them?
That part, like most conspiracy theories, is conveniently not knowable. The Mueller investigation, having ended in a whimper rather than the bang the Trump-hating Fake News was hoping for, should have been the end of the QAnon conspiracy theory. QAnon conspiracy theorists have simultaneously argued that the ultimate target of the Mueller investigation is either the Deep State of nefarious anti-American, globalist actors, or the aim is to pursue high-profile pedophiles in the United States government and in other powerful circles related to the government.
QAnons Pernicious Connections to Pizzagate
Now for the most pernicious aspect of the QAnon conspiracy theory. In 2016, conspiracists on 4Chan and other similar fringe messaging boards claimed that the emails stolen from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podestas (and subsequently made public by WikiLeaks) contained secret messages referring to a powerful ring of pedophiles who were using a local Washington, D.C. pizzeria as a base of operations to conduct their crimes. None of these claims were true. But, what ended up happening was that the highly irresponsible conspiracy theory triggered a mentally unstable man, who in turn took a gun to a D.C. pizzeria with intent to use it.
The source material for these theories is the vile, uber-fringe 4Chan and 8Chan. 4Chan was launched in 2003 as a place to share images and discuss Japanese anime. In fact, it was modeled on the Japanese anime internet boards, such as Futaba Channel. Over time, though, the already eclectic group of online personalities that 4Chan attracted devolved into something darker. It became a haven for crazed conspiracy theorists from both sides of the political divide. 4Chan also became popular among the white nationalist community, and also became a place for hackers and other criminalsincluding child pornographers. If there was a Hell on the internet, 4Chan was Hell.
Meanwhile, a similar website, created by gonzo software developer, Frederick Brennan, 8Chan was launched in 2013 as a response to what Brennan believed was the rise in authoritarianism, censorship, and surveillance on 4Chan. Despite the fact that 8Chan has become the 3,857th most viewed website in the world, with an average of 35,000 unique visitors per day and 400,000 original posts per day, it too has become mired in controversy. 8Chan, which has been billed as the more libertarian (though, perhaps libertine would be better) 4Chan, has apparently become a hub of international child pornography postings. This became such a problem that, in 2015, 8Chan was blacklisted by Google search. It is a profound understatement to claim that anything positive or good comes from these boards. Yet, it is precisely from sites like these that the Pizzagate and now the QAnon conspiracy theories emanate.
Alternative media figures, such as Mike Cernovich, have also furthered the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracy theories. Some of these individuals have massive social media followings. With big internet names furthering the conspiracies, it was only a matter of time before disaster struck. In 2016, when the pizzeria shooting happened, several media outlets attempted to lay the blame at the feet of people like Cernovich. This only gave the Fake News Industrial Complex more fuel in their ongoing war against President Trump and the Right.
The very same group of internet Alt-Right activists and online forums that furthered the Pizzagate conspiracy have also spread the QAnon conspiracy theory.
Here are some of the other bizarre, totally inaccurate predictions that QAnon has made:
01/21/18 A flood was alleged to be coming. A flood consisting of various forms of media that I imagine were supposed to implicate somebody in something nefarious. Sadly, this flood never came.
01/21/18 Q makes some very certain claims about the Nunes Memo, which of course do not come remotely true when the memo is released a couple weeks later.
01/22/18 Q posts a confirmed fake Podesta email, then promptly deletes it. But not before his followers have time to notice. 02/09/18 Next week [Next week] was declared suicide weekend. Nothing came to pass.
02/21/18 Q predicts that the founder of Twitter is removing accounts because he and his Deep State friends are in deep trouble. Nothing came to pass.
03/15/18 Q declares March Madness and that the public will soon know. Nothing came to pass.
04/02/18 April was supposed to be a BIG month, full of happenings including but not limited to arrests, the release of the IG report, the wall, military start, and unsealed indictments. Nothing came to pass.
Where Does QAnon Go From Here?
Things have gotten even stranger for the QAnon conspiracists now that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has submitted his final report. While the report has not yet been made public, Attorney General William Barr has seen it, and he has issued a summary of the report.
AG Barr explains that Mueller has not proven any collusion or coordination between President Donald Trump, his top 2016 campaign staffers, and Russian intelligence. The focus of the investigation was Donald Trump and his 2016 presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Podesta, or even John McCain were not targets of the Mueller probe in any way as Q promised.
The fact that the QAnon conspiracy theory is tied in with the Pizzagate fiasco is bad enough. The more damaging part is that these cult-like actors link themselves to the Trump movement, despite the fact that no member of the Trump movement has anything to do with these insane theories. They are the outgrowth of a pathetic group who exist online, in the dark corners of the worldwide web. That they have attached their delusions to the Trump movement is unfortunate.
But, they do not represent and are not affiliated with President Trump, his supporters, or those who work for the president.
Recently, some Q supporters have insisted that certain pictures of President Trump and key advisers in the White House prove that they are, in fact, members of the Q conspiracy because their positioning makes it appear as though they are displaying subliminal messages about Q. These internet personalities claim to be supporting the President. Yet, consistently, their actions have shown that they are not allies of the President. They damage and besmirch the Trump movement with their irresponsible actions.
In that their actions, both directly and indirectly, aid those who would do damage to the Make America Great Again Agenda and see it fail. Whoever Q or QAnon may be, they are most decidedly not close to the President, they are not Conservatives, and with every post they make, they subvert the MAGA Agenda.
If what I say is true (it is), then working against Trump's Q program is not the action of a "real Trump supporter". You, and others might THINK you're supporting Trump, but taking action as you are doing against his program is the opposite of support.
You work on the same side and have the same goal as the derp media and derp politicians.
Yes, there have been several attempts to make Q/Trump supporters look like violent racists. That's all in the derp bag of tricks. Interesting that you fell for it and parrot it as more Q debunkery.
You just gained ten points on the derp scale. I'm almost certain you're a professional now.
You and your Anti QAnon people are SICK! You can bet your bippy that there is more coming! You are NOT going to like it either in regard to Q, Mueller & Co., etc. Find your safe spaces soon!
Enjoy the show!
I didn’t even see that you posted it until just this very moment and I’m already accused of refusing to watch it. I think that’s in Chapter 5 of “How to Win Friends and Influence People”.
> Well, to be perfectly honest, if you get to be lazy I get to be lazy.
The moon is made of green cheese. There’s plenty of evidence out there. If you don’t believe me, you’re negligent for not doing the research to prove what I believe to yourself.
That’s what you sound like. I seriously need to teach a class on how to keep your mouth shut when opening it will only weaken one’s argument.
My guess is that you are talking to a paid actor. They were willing to break the rules in order to post this article. And they have stuck to their purpose all day long. It seems that they have a very vested interest in discrediting Q. A bit too much so if you ask me.
“The same lies are coming from the enemedia, maga coalition, and spread here by you, knowingly or unknowingly...”
First, reading the truth from a close friend and advisor to President Trump stands on its own. It has nothing to do with “enemedia.” You are quite incorrect to insist they are all one and the same and must be so.
That’s quite limited critical thinking and abjectly so.
There are no lies from MAGA Coalition either. People have been stating lies that were said earlier and it’s foolhardy. It’s a tiny pro Trump PAC.
Yet, that little tiny Trump PAC managed to get a lot of attention from “QAnon” and that preying insect grifter who was attacking them. More to learn on that front. It’s all quite revealing if you look into it yourself.
Or not. I don’t care. I’m happy to help people be free of this garbage.
Oh, I’m loving it! I’ve done a little to save a lot of Baby Boomers from being scammed and I’m going to love it more as the Russia Collusion Hoaxers and QAnon hoaxers get what they have coming! These scammers are going to be exposed!
You can count on it ma’m!
It was pretty, though.
And go ahead on teaching me to shut my mouth. Better men (and women) have tried and failed.
#GoodLuck
p.s. I take it you won't be conducting your own research then?
Okay, that's about the millionth time you've used "Russia Collusion Hoaxers" and "Qanon Hoaxers" in conjunction, as if they're somehow similar..
Isn't that the same tactic that the derps use by conflating Trump with Hitler?
The more you talk, the more you reveal. The masters will not be pleased.
Im not posting this for you, Ive got your number.
For others: Q primarily posts links to articles you may have missed, government documents that are open-source but you may have missed. He asks questions and invites you to do some googling to see what you find.
People attacking Q dont want you reading these open source articles, open source docs, and they dont want you googling.
Its pretty simple. If you read the articles, and the docs, you know more about what is happening than your pals who dont, and you arent surprised as the news reveals something you knew 3 months ago. How do you prove Q? There is nothing to prove. Even his most outrageous claims are tied back to open source material. And if he hints at something hard to believe... then you just file it away in the back of your mind for later.
His predictions arent prediction. In some cases he simply knows what is afoot. In other cases he is hinting at what they are trying to do. Since the baddies get to push back, some things happen on schedule, and some dont.
Decoding Q is a misnomer. The decoders merely google the articles, and look for other corroborating articles. A lot like we do on FR. Since most of them have been demonetized by you-tube, they arent making much if any money. Gorka obviously was getting $20k a month... which I dont resent, since I like him. The Q folks are lucky if they see a hundred dollars in a month. Again, big deal, most of them have day jobs.
~Why is it so hard to deal with Donald Trump Jr. appearing on Seb Gorkas show praising him as real MAGA after he was attacked by QAnon?~
Maybe DTJ went on the show to keep the peace. Why go against someone who is helping to pull your cart. Some pull harder then others.
Sometimes disinformation is needed. Look how many hits or clicks have been created by this debate. More will be woke.
Oh, now I’m not thinking correctly?? That’s a big LOL because that’s another liberal elitist trait you display that we just can’t think for ourselves.
Ok, now we know what type of person we are dealing with, your obfuscation on the enemy media and maga coalition not being on the same page is quite laughable. It just is because you must not live in reality (also a liberal elitist trait).
The enemy media AND maga coalition are exactly on the SAME page regarding the attacks on the Q movement. The enemy media is proven very bad and has a lot of corruption they are hiding. That means in reality, YOU are on the same page with the enemy media. If you’re blind to that because you are trying to promote maga coalition here, no one here can help you but with every post, you continue to help expose yourself.
CGato
"Q/Q-Anon do not represent and are not affiliated with President Trump, his supporters, or those who work for the president..their actions have shown that they are not allies of the President. They damage and besmirch the Trump movement with their irresponsible actions.
In that their actions, both directly and indirectly, aid those who would do damage to the Make America Great Again Agenda and see it fail..... Whoever Q or QAnon may be, they are most decidedly not close to the President, they are not Conservatives, and with every post they make, they subvert the MAGA Agenda."
Dr.Sebastian Gorka.....Verified account
..."Q is NOT on Americas side. Its all a con job."...
Why hasn’t POTUS taken anytime to debunk Q?
Hmmm...the majority of your posts promote the maga coalition.
I wonder if we knew your true identity, would we discover you have a vested interest in them.
For the record, no matter how many times you post it, Q does not take money for anything.
Oh? And what actions might those be, Mr Gorka?
Break it down for us.
You don’t acknowledge.... ‘those who are seeking to be noticed’.... nor give them a platform by responding in any way.
Read the article Bags.
“For the record, no matter how many times you post it, Q does not take money for anything.”
That’s more than a little incorrect. Not only have a number of people outed themselves posting a ‘Q,’ they are most definitely on the take making a lot of money calling themselves Q decoders.
A lot of them are being called out by the guys who started this as a social experiment on 4chan. That includes both James Brower and Merlin Defango.
I’ve referenced both and they both have their own Twitter & YouTube channels. Magacoaltion.com is a reference point for a lot of the irrefutable proofs that have come out about the QAnon grifters.
There’s going to be a live telecast about 10:00 PM tonight. I’m not affiliated or work for that pro-Trump PAC. I do respect their efforts as the head is someone who worked on the Trump campaign in PA.
MAGA!
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