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New Map of Dark Matter Spanning 10 Million Galaxies Hints at a Flaw in Our Physics
Science Alert ^ | 14 FEB 2019 | MICHELLE STARR

Posted on 02/15/2019 8:12:19 AM PST by BenLurkin

An invisible force is having an effect on our Universe. We can't see it, and we can't detect it - but we can observe how it interacts gravitationally with the things we can see and detect, such as light.

Now an international team of astronomers has used one of the world's most powerful telescopes to analyse that effect across 10 million galaxies in the context of Einstein's general relativity. The result? The most comprehensive map of dark matter across the history of the Universe to date.

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"If further data shows we're definitely right, then it suggests something is missing from our current understanding of the Standard Model and the general theory of relativity," said physicist Chiaki Hikage of the Kavli Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe.

We don't know what dark matter is. What we do know is that the gravitational effects we see in the Universe cannot be accounted for by observable matter alone. For example, the rotation speed of galaxies would be quite different if it was based solely on the gravity from observable mass.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencealert.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; physics; relativity; speedofdark; stringtheory; universe
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To: George Rand

Absolutely. The plasma guys seem to me correct.


21 posted on 02/15/2019 8:56:31 AM PST by D Rider
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks for posting an article that brings out people who are proud of their ignorance.


22 posted on 02/15/2019 8:57:12 AM PST by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: Moonman62
Thanks for posting an article that brings out people who are proud of their ignorance.

I didn't know there were so many astrophysicists and quantum physicists here on FR.

23 posted on 02/15/2019 9:01:32 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: BenLurkin
Dark matter theory was born by a discrepancy between distances measured to certain distant objects when measured by 1) redshift, and 2) intensity. The redshift measurement method is long-standing. The intensity method is new. The redshift method relies on a "Hubble constant" which has never been nailed down. The intensity method is considered more reliable. Redshift measurements pegged the Hubble constant at a value which relies on the universe's gravity slowing down universal expansion. Intensity measurements reveal that farther objects are, rather than slowing, accelerating away from us. It's a real conundrum which some say can be explained away with time dilation. Put another way, it can be explained away with photon decay. Both redshift and intensity methods rely on photon measurement. Since the inception of red shift measurements some scientists have argued that redshift is, at least partially, explained by the fact that time is slowing with expansion in the intervening space .....termed "time dilation". How much observed redshift is due to recession, and how much is due to time dilation, has always been the biggest question in determining the Hubble constant. However, detection of universal acceleration relies on intensity measurements, not on redshift measurements. What is it about the intensity measurement method which would inherently indicate accelerated expansion? Or are the intensity measurements accurate? Is something pushing our universe apart?
24 posted on 02/15/2019 9:04:31 AM PST by nagant
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To: BenLurkin

Darks matter.


25 posted on 02/15/2019 9:07:33 AM PST by CJ Wolf (Free. Wwg1wga)
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To: mbarker12474

You don’t have to be a physicist and there are lot of books and articles on the subject. All it means is that galaxies and galaxy clusters are spinning faster than the matter we can see (i.e. stars and gas) account for. There are lots of hypotheses, including just something wrong with our understanding of gravity. But other than observation of visible matter, there are no real theories supporting it. So it’s anyone’s guess basically.


26 posted on 02/15/2019 9:08:46 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: George Rand

Sure does...


27 posted on 02/15/2019 9:26:41 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: George Rand

anytime you hear the word “dark” in science you should immediately become suspicious. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are mere placeholders to explain away the fact that our calculations based on our current understanding do not match observable reality.

Rather than Dark Matter and Dark Energy both of which we conveniently cannot detect, I propose an alternative hypothesis. Maybe neither exist and our current understanding is simply flawed.

That’s not a knock on Newton. That’s not a knock on Einstein. Each advanced our understanding.....maybe we’re just not as far along in our understanding right now as we would like to think we are.


28 posted on 02/15/2019 9:33:11 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: mountainlion

https://www.britannica.com/science/geomagnetic-field/Sources-of-the-steady-magnetic-field#ref295865


29 posted on 02/15/2019 9:34:19 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: D Rider

https://www.britannica.com/science/geomagnetic-field/Sources-of-the-steady-magnetic-field#ref295865


30 posted on 02/15/2019 9:34:59 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: BenLurkin

We can’t see it. We can’t detect it. But we see things being affected by something and really can’t explain it at all.

Dark matter! We are scientists and we are smarter than you!

This really sounds like an SNL skit.


31 posted on 02/15/2019 9:35:41 AM PST by airborne (I don't always scream at the TV but when I do it's hockey season!)
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To: Slyfox

I think He’s playing a game with them. Every time they think they’ve discovered the “God particle” or something-or-other that will unlock our understanding of everything, He simply creates another puzzle.


32 posted on 02/15/2019 9:39:58 AM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Mr Radical
He simply creates another puzzle.

They send out probes and view in their telescopes looking for signs, breathlessly hoping to prove there is no God.

Meanwhile, he waits for them to open their hearts.

33 posted on 02/15/2019 9:45:06 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: nagant

Your first sentence is partially right: Dark matter was born to explain a discrepancy. Unfortunately the rest is WAY off. The discrepancy had nothing to do with distance measurements. It was the fact that galaxies were observed to rotate faster than would be predicted by general relativity.

That leaves two options: either the galaxies have unobsevable matter or general relativity is not applicable to galactic rotations. Both ideas were considered seriously, but dark matter matches reality better than MOND (MOdified Newtonian Dynamics - basically the alternative to GR). MOND does better at explaining galactic rotations but does poorly when applied to larger scales than individual galaxies. DM does well at all scales. DM may be modified or abandoned as more data come in, but it’s not just a myth or a placeholder; it’s the best explanation for what we currently have observed.


34 posted on 02/15/2019 9:49:04 AM PST by stremba
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To: Moonman62
an article that brings out people who are proud of their ignorance.

There's a whole lot of that on this forum.

35 posted on 02/15/2019 9:54:36 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: stremba

Previously unexplained galaxy rotation was addressed with detection of giant black holes at the centers of galaxies.


36 posted on 02/15/2019 10:02:38 AM PST by nagant
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To: BenLurkin

Leave it to modern physicists to map out something that has never been observed.


37 posted on 02/15/2019 10:11:03 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Moonman62

You, sir, win the internet for today...


38 posted on 02/15/2019 10:35:59 AM PST by datura
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To: BenLurkin

Naw, really? I’ve been saying this for decades. But, it’s good for govey grants!


39 posted on 02/15/2019 11:30:28 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: nagant

That’s “dark energy” you are talking about, not “dark matter”.

“Dark matter” is the fudge factor they came up with to explain why galaxies do not rotate as expected according to the equations of relativity (the center should rotate faster than the outer arms, but we see that instead the outer arms and center complete a revolution at the same pace).


40 posted on 02/15/2019 12:07:06 PM PST by Boogieman
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