Posted on 01/16/2019 7:05:55 PM PST by CDR Kerchner
A Lesson from History. Is Being a ‘Born Citizen’ (aka Born a Citizen) of the United States Sufficient Citizenship Status to be President? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided No It Was Not! One needs to be a ‘natural born Citizen’. Adjectives mean something, especially in our Constitution!
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Two strikes on Ted Cruz.
Foreign birth and foreign national father.
He was a Canadian until 2014.
You argument is a logical fallacy since many people who now gain Citizenship by Birth only due so by a naturalization law pass by Congress, i.e., USC 8. See this Euler Diagram. Euler Diagram proves the fallacy of the argument that simply being “born a Citizen” of the United States or a Citizen by Birth is identically the same as the constitutional term “natural born Citizen”. Adjectives mean something. The adjective natural refers to something not made by man or his laws. See: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2016/02/14/euler-logic-diagram-shows-logical-relationship-of-constitutional-article-ii-natural-born-citizens-to-other-type-citizens-of-the-united-states/
“That includes who is a natural born citizen and who is not.”
Dead wrong. Why would natural born Citizens need to be naturalized?
If two people come here legally, and then become naturalized citizens, their child born afterwards will be NBC.
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Their children born after they become citizens would be natural born citizens.
Children born to foreign nationals are themselves foreign nationals, even if we foolishly give them all citizenship also.
They are not natural born citizens.
Your argument is a fallacy. You don’t know the difference between the two different bodies of law — natural law and positive law. Look it up. Congress can only make “positive law”, i.e., man-made laws. Euler Diagram proves the fallacy of the argument that simply being “born a Citizen” of the United States is identically the same as the constitutional term “natural born Citizen”. See: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2016/02/14/euler-logic-diagram-shows-logical-relationship-of-constitutional-article-ii-natural-born-citizens-to-other-type-citizens-of-the-united-states/
Mr rogers is the longest serving after-birther troll ever. He needs a medal or something /s
Just wrong.
The constitution lists NBC, naturalized, and aliens. There is NO other category. They were pretty organized guys. They didn’t leave a huge percentage of the population with some odd status.
If you aren’t naturalized, you are NBC.
I understand going after Obama for all you are worth. But this is simply incorrect. And is the result of recently suddenly calling anchor babies “NBC”. They aren’t and never were.
The founders knew what they meant as did most people for most of the history of the country until people who wanted to undermine the Constitution stop teaching it.
http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
“such a clarification can only come from an opinion by the Supreme Court or by an amendment to the Constitution itself”
So, until SCROTUS says what the Constitution means then it can’t be upheld, followed or defended?
Thus U.S. Supreme Court clearly defined who are a “natural born Citizen” in its holding in Minor v Happersett. See this article for more on the case and its holding: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/07/obama-cannot-be-natural-born-citizen.html Also see other U.S. Supreme Court cases re natural born Citizen listed at: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
See this article on the five types of Citizen mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: https://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-U-S-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same
“You argument is a logical fallacy since many people who now gain Citizenship by Birth only due so by a naturalization law pass by Congress, i.e., USC 8.”
Incorrect, they gain it by an incorrect reading of the 14th amendment that came into fashion in the late 60s during Teddy Kennedy’s immigration orgy.
See this article on the FIVE types of Citizens mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: https://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-U-S-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same
Now you got it. If two foreigners who come here get naturalized, their subsequent children are NBC. The ones before they were sworn in are not.
AFTERWARDS.
she was not born AFTER her parents were naturalized.
Shes not eligible.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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The differentiation is right there.
Natural born citizen OR CITIZEN at the time.
Thank you for that. That is exactly what I learned while in school. Back when they actually taught students in school.
“If you aren’t naturalized, you are NBC.”
If you are not born on U.S. soil to U.S. citizen parents(NBC natural law) then you’re a naturalized citizen(positive law) or an alien.
The group of U.S. Citizens who are a “natural born Citizen” is the largest subset of all U.S. Citizens. They are the three leaf clovers of all U.S. Citizens, not the four leaf clovers. See: https://www.scribd.com/document/160107354/Natural-Born-Citizen-3-Not-4-Leaf-Clover-Type-of-Citizenship
Correct, Harris was born with Indian and Jamaican nationality in addition to being awarded US citizenship.
THREE nationalities.
Natural born citizens are NATURALLY citizens precisely because they have only ONE nationality.
That was the whole point of not just writing citizen.
In the Article they wrote, natural born citizen or citizen at the time, clearly indicating not only that there is a difference but that they grandfathered themselves in because they knew there would not be any natural born citizens for 35 years.
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