Posted on 01/15/2019 12:59:06 PM PST by dynachrome
due to copy right complaints, cannot post from Navy Times.
www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/worse-than-you-thought-inside-the-secret-fitzgerald-probe-the-navy-doesnt-want-you-to-read/?
Women should not be on ships!! This is a sad story of living a total lie.What is the hell is going on in our NAVY.? My God what a horrifying story. People DIED!! Total incompetence!! She should be in PRISON. Get women out of there or we are going to lose the next war!!
I dont get this, you dont navigate the ship from the CIC so why would the VMS be in there and why would the bridge have to rely on CIC for safe navigation?
“he soon discovered crew members who didnt know how to use them anyway”
WELL, - I’d say that just about covers this one!
“you dont navigate the ship from the CIC so why would the VMS be in there and why would the bridge have to rely on CIC for safe navigation?”
A complete Red Herring.
Surface Search radar and lookouts are on the Bridge, and safe navigation has absolutely NO reliance on CIC.
If you think we are alone check how recently the Norwegians effectively lost a frigate as big as a WW2 light cruiser. Both the collision and the incredibly incompetent salving efforts beggar belief.
For a ship to get in that bad a shape, that comes down from above. The division CO, the fleet CO, all have to have failed in their duties. For the radar to be non-functional, for the crew to be that derelict, that has to be systemic, not limited to that one ship.
My God read this. What a disaster. They hid this from the American people because they were afraid of LAW SUITS!! This is unacceptable. The President must tend to this very quickly. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/worse-than-you-thought-inside-the-secret-fitzgerald-probe-the-navy-doesnt-want-you-to-read/
Have you read the story? Based on that men shouldn't be on ships.
"Fort determined that Fitzs crew was plagued by low morale; overseen by a dysfunctional chiefs mess; and dogged by a bruising tempo of operations in the Japan-based 7th Fleet that left exhausted sailors with little time to train or complete critical certifications..."
"...they also appeared to be led by officers who appeared indifferent to potentially life-saving lessons that shouldve been learned from other near-misses at sea, including a similar incident near Sasebo, Japan, that occurred only five weeks before the ACX Crystal collision..."
"FTZs command leadership was unaware of just how far below standards their command had drifted, wrote Fort, a surface warfare officer with more than a quarter-century of experience. Had the (commanding officer) and (executive officer) critiqued the near-collision, they may have identified the root causes uncovered by this investigation."
"But Forts investigation pointed to a disturbing pattern of watchstanders failing to follow standing orders from a skipper and XO who often were inexplicably absent from the bridge, even when the warship was transiting potentially dangerous waters at night."
"Benson and predecessor Shu spent little time on the bridge during nighttime transits and Benson was asleep in his quarters on the fateful night the Fitzgerald collided with the ACX Crystal, Fort wrote.
Appears that way Admiral. It was an accident waiting to happen. Hang them from the yardarm
Welcome,Mikemurphy, to FR. Thank you for the link. tbr.
I bet they were all up to date on their diversity training classes. Pissing in buckets on the bridge?
It is to laugh...............
On the old Fram II destroyers we had a urinal on the bridge wing. Guess that no longer works. Even used it once when the NVA was shelling us.
And all of those things come back to women in the fleet. Do you have any idea how much time and effort is spent of sensitivity training, EEOC training, homo training? etc.
Not only did this soak up valuable training time, it caused a mentality where no superior officer dares offer the slightest discipline or correction to a female subordinate officer. Then this attitude trickles down as they do not demand anything more from their subordinates. In addition, women are promoted beyond their capability for political/sexual reasons.
And then of course, senior enlisteds leave the minute they can, they guys who used to make things run.
And then you have a ship with kettle bells and bottles of piss, broken and canibalized equipment, and OOD who have personality conflicts with others as they navigate Tokyo Bay shipping lanes at night.
Have you read the story? Based on that men shouldn’t be on ships.”
Feminized men. In the pre girl Navy only men were on the ships, the enviroment was a a proper meritocracy and things ran well. The meritocracy is the first thing that went out when the girls came in, on account of the fact that if it didn’t the girls couldn’t hack it. How far would any WWII admiral get in today’s navy? He wouldn’t survive, period.
Kettle bells ??
But, to misquote a certain Rush parody song ... “they sailed with pride”
What a shame. Makes the “USS Caine” seem downright shipshape.
Yup, thats what I thought to. So why make up a silly story? Shifting blame away for someone I suppose.
Those workout weights. They look like cannonballs with a handle. The investigator who entered the CIC found kettlebells and bottles of piss. And the Officer in charge of the CIC was a youngish black female and had a massive stack of unfinished paperwork on her desk. She and the female OOD didnt get along apparently.
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