TXnMA
Posted on 01/15/2019 12:59:06 PM PST by dynachrome
Ah, got it. Thanks. What a clusterf*ck.
The same thing is going on in the submarine service. my son was in for ten years but called it quits after so many problems with maintenance, competency, and training. Mostly due to poor leadership at the CEO level.
subs have nukes and I am glad there has not be similar accidents in this arena.
What a goat rope and rodeo. The CO and XO should draw several decades in Leavenworth. The OOD and the CICWO
should draw several decades in Miramar. Just my opionion.
TXnMA
This is not your daddy’s navy. Reminds me of this navy: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267626/videoplayer/vi4153606425?ref_=tt_ov_vi navy
As one who has spent a lot of time on the bridge and underway on a US Warship, and as one that loves the Navy, this is all depressing as hell.
These officers spending a lot of time away from the bridge with cute lady officers around is no mystery at all. The answer to what they were up to lies under ground in books with stone pages made one million fn years ago! Simple as that.
Some officers should be held accountable with prison terms (sailors died!!!!). I want to emphasize “officers”. They were in charge! Urine on the floor of CIC...…...imagine that! My god! We would have been in the brig in minutes for something like that happening in my days in CIC!
Trump really does need to fire the officers in the chain of command on this situation (all the way up to the halls of the Pentagon) and then see to it that they go to Leavenworth a long time. Otherwise, this shit will continue on and we will lose the next war.....!
I also spent a lot of time on the Bridge, including many transits through Sagami Wan, You are right, all depressing as hell.
Yes, we do navigate from CIC. Every CIC in the USN since WW2 has had a Dead Reckoning Tracer, or one of it's many more modern takes on the DRT, including VMS. CIC usually has secondary navigation responsibility, and during transits through waterways where higher than normal navigational hazards exist, they have additional personnel to increase awareness. In many cases I've witnessed, the NAV team in CIC was more experienced and accurate than the Pilot House, and took pride in that.
This goes much further than poor navigation skills. This was a complete failure of command leadership.
For the ship to be missing a chief for years does not seem like something within the control of anyone onboard the ship.
Thanks, hussein, for doing everything you could to destroy the Navy.
It is a disaster in the Navy. Women have no place in combat. It is insane to rick this counties security on political correctness. We are heading for a disaster in our military.
I assume the new navy SJW command did not think of that, it would be sexist, or something.
You know I knew my Navy had sunk a few notches due to PC this and PC that but I never thought it was flat out BROKE until now.
I remember my early twenties in the Navy. On board ship and under way with a couple of cute chicks in the room I know exactly where everybody’s mind was!
Feminist say “stifle Yourself” or “deal with it”. Yeah right! Might as well say sprout wings and fly!
Yes, it has long been said by old salts—the guys that were there from the beginning that women aboard ships bring bad luck.
A cold, hard examination of what goes on when women are crew members is ample, thruthful, and politically incorrect. So no one discusses it.
Women in the military are a mix like oil and water. I don’t care what the apologists say—women don’t belong there.
Actually came in handy when the rescue crew used one to bust into the CO's stateroom -- to rescue him from hanging onto the outside of the ship after being thrown out of his ripped-open quarters...
(Full disclosure: having to look it after reading about the rescue -- introduced me to the term...)
...'-)...
TXnMA
I, and others of like mind have been beating this drum for some time. What this exposed in the US Navy was a complete and utter failure of leadership.
Failure to train. Failure to drill. But most of all, failure to lead.
Shameful.
Shameful.
There is a positive that comes out of this: now that it is in the open and clear, there is always the possibility, no matter how slight, that this could be addressed top to bottom. I don’t think it will, but when you reach the bottom, sometimes the only way to go is up.
Thanks for the ping, FRiend...
Sad.
I never had the opportunity to serve with women on ships.
The Navy was gearing up for it, but I retired before it actually happened. It has been my experience in life that hormones trump common sense almost ever time. Don’t doubt that is true at sea as well as on land. That is bad for building a solid ship’s crew.
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