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Walls at Alesia [Gallic Wars]
Online Historical Database of Civil Infrastructure ^ | 21st century | Michael Schiavone

Posted on 11/18/2018 9:49:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The Battle of Alesia took place in September, 52 BC around the Gallic oppidum of Alesia, a major town centre and hill fort of the Mandubii tribe... To guarantee a perfect blockade, Caesar ordered the construction of an encircling set of fortifications, called a circumvallation, around Alesia. The details are known from Caesar's Commentaries. About 18 kilometres of 4 metre high fortifications were constructed in about three weeks (Wikipedia). This line was followed inwards by two four-and-a-half metre wide ditches, also four-and-a-half metres deep. The farthest from the fortification was filled with water from the surrounding rivers. These fortifications were supplemented with mantraps and deep holes in front of the ditches, and regularly spaced watch towers equipped with Roman artillery. Vercingetorix's cavalry often raided the construction works attempting to prevent full enclosure. Caesar ordered the construction of a second line of fortifications, the contravallation, facing outward and encircling his army between it and the first set of walls. The second line was identical to the first in design and extended for 21 kilometres (Wikipedia)... V-cross-section ditches more than a meter or so deep have long been recognized as especially defensive. Their surface width, depth, steep sides, and narrow bottoms make them difficult for attackers to negotiate. This was well recognized by the Romans... When Julius Caesar's army built siege fortifications (a contravallation) in A.D. 52 surrounding the Gallic hillfort of Alesia, the Romans dug two 2.4-2.7-m deep ditches in front of their curtain wall. The innermost (i.e., closest to Gallic Alesia), a water-filled moat, was trapezoidal in section, while the dry ditch just below the Roman palisade was V-sectioned (Keppie, 1989, pp. 181-183).

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: battleofalesia; gallicwars; godsgravesglyphs; romanempire; vercingetorix
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1 posted on 11/18/2018 9:49:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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Walls at Alesia

2 posted on 11/18/2018 9:49:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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3 posted on 11/18/2018 9:50:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv
Piece of brilliance. My Military History prof called it "The Donut Battle".

Vercingetorix - "The besieger has become the besieged! You are doomed!"

Caesar - "Hold thou my beer and watch this."

4 posted on 11/18/2018 10:03:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SunkenCiv

Three weeks to build a wall eleven miles long and 12 feet high. President Trump, please take note.


5 posted on 11/18/2018 10:12:25 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Billthedrill
Caesar had some set of stones on him.

6 posted on 11/18/2018 10:17:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

Unbelievable!! “About 11 MILES of 13 FOOT high fortifications were constructed in THREE WEEKS” in 52 AD.

And we can’t do jack sh!t in YEARS on our southern border. What a pathetic commentary.


7 posted on 11/18/2018 11:03:37 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oops...52 BC. Off by a hundred years.


8 posted on 11/18/2018 11:05:48 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

No unions or OSHA regulations back then...


9 posted on 11/18/2018 11:07:30 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Rocky

I don’t think Caesar had to worry about environmental impact reports or unions or labor laws. You order 10,000 men to build a wall with the incentive that if you get hurt or tired your body will be ground up for mortar then you can accomplish a lot in a short time.


10 posted on 11/18/2018 11:09:49 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: Rocky

Caesar didn’t have the GOPe Congress and Paul Ryan to deal with.


11 posted on 11/18/2018 11:12:20 PM PST by TADSLOS (Six out of seven dwarfs arenÂ’t happy.)
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To: Moltke

Or Environmental Impact Statements.

Look at the Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Coulee Dam, Hoover Dam, etc for examples of what we used to accomplish pre-EIS.


12 posted on 11/18/2018 11:20:20 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv

13 posted on 11/18/2018 11:52:03 PM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Where there’s no will, there’s no way.


14 posted on 11/18/2018 11:55:21 PM PST by fluorescence
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To: Moltke

Or environmental assessments - that takes a LONG time. I was just reading about some light-rail into our town - the initial assessments started in 2000. (Too bad they couldn’t have taken 100 years. F-ing light rail will bring the gangs right here!)


15 posted on 11/19/2018 12:13:12 AM PST by 21twelve (!)
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To: fluorescence

It’s as simple as that, isn’t it?


16 posted on 11/19/2018 12:35:16 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv
Although there are various theories and modern-day places that make claims, I don't think anyone knows for certain where this town was?
17 posted on 11/19/2018 1:29:13 AM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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Yes, it has been identified. IIRC, Napoleon was the first to send engineers out to find the various sites identified by Caesar in his Commentaries. Subsequent archaeology proved the site as Alesia.


18 posted on 11/19/2018 4:08:39 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Reminds me of the Tenth Legion at Madada. Subtlety was not their strong suit.


19 posted on 11/19/2018 7:26:14 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Madada?


20 posted on 11/19/2018 8:11:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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