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Lion Air flight crashes into the sea after taking off from Indonesian capital Jakarta
Sky News ^ | October 29 | Staff

Posted on 10/28/2018 8:04:14 PM PDT by PghBaldy

A Lion Air flight between Jakarta and an island off Sumatra has crashed, Indonesian search and rescue officials have said.

A search and rescue effort has been launched after the passenger jet lost contact 13 minutes after takeoff on Monday morning.

The Boeing 737-800 left the Indonesian capital at 6.20am and was headed north to arrive in Pangkal Pinang, on the island of Bangka, at

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TOPICS: Local News; Travel
KEYWORDS: 737; boeing; boeing737; crash; flightjt610; harvino; indonesia; jakarta; jt610; lionair; methamphetamines; plane
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To: PghBaldy
A major factor that needs to be considered is the notoriously bad weather over the Java Sea, particularly thunderstorms. One wonders did the flight crew fly the plane into a thunderstorm and they lost control when it hit a microburst downdraft inside the storm.
21 posted on 10/28/2018 9:57:42 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Usually those dawn launches from Jakarta don’t encounter thunder storms. Plus they don’t have many former military pilots to fly commercial.


22 posted on 10/28/2018 10:11:13 PM PDT by Oldexpat (Jobs Not Mobs)
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To: PghBaldy

The 737-800 series is a fairly new plane, probably mot due to an aging airframe. Maintenance from some of the foreign air carriers is notoriously skimpy, though.

CC


23 posted on 10/28/2018 10:14:44 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Do you know what really burns my ass? A flame about 3 feet high.)
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To: Blue House Sue

That aircraft will fly most happily on one engine. I notice no calls of distress from the aircraft. Answer = catastrophic in flight failure or bomb, thus no calls of distress. A bomb is a catastrophic in flight failure.

ps
In the North Sea we lost two Sikorsky 61s due to catastrophic in flight failure. No distress call but they just went down. All perished. The S61 is a fine Helicopter. In subsequent investigations it was determined that the swash plate was improperly annealed and disintegrated in flight which made the craft doomed in an instant. It was not even Sirkorsky’s fault as it was a subcontractor that made the plate. However, Sikorsky paid as it was their chopper.


24 posted on 10/28/2018 11:39:34 PM PDT by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: PghBaldy

By the plot the airplane lost 1200 feet in 10 seconds, gaining 23 knots, from 4850’ to 3650’.

1200 feet in 10 seconds is 7200 feet/minute (probably more in the latter seconds considering the time it takes to push over). At that speed, that’s about 12 degrees nose-down, a very unusual descent profile that close to the water.

That’s not consistent with an engine failure, or dual flameout due to fuel contamination.

But it is consistent with a deliberate push-over toward the water, or a major flight control malfunction, or perhaps crew incapacitation due to an explosion, etc.

This one will be resolved quickly — crashed in shallow water so the black boxes will be recovered soon.


25 posted on 10/29/2018 1:01:14 AM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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To: PghBaldy

Did somebody on that flight know something about the campaign financing of the Clintons from the 1990s? Or the youth of “Bath-House Barry?


26 posted on 10/29/2018 2:35:27 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella
Fwiw, the BBC’s story mentioned this.

At least 20 employees from Indonesia's finance ministry were on board, the BBC has learned.

A spokesperson for Indonesia's finance ministry Nufransa Wira Sakti said they worked at the finance ministry offices in Pangkal Pinang but had been in Jakarta for the weekend. They routinely took this flight.

Also, a map, that part of the world, I get lost.

BBC

27 posted on 10/29/2018 3:16:31 AM PDT by csvset (illegitimi non carborundum)
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At least 20 employees from Indonesia's finance ministry were on board...

Oh, boy...

1MDB related...?

28 posted on 10/29/2018 3:24:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Is Central America emptying its prisons?)
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To: PghBaldy

Saya turut berdukacita dan bedoa supaya keluarganya dan teman-teman menerima dukunang dan kekuatan dari Tuhan Kita.

I join in mourning and pray that family and friends receive support and strength from Our God. (Don’t blindly assume everyone on board were muslims.)


29 posted on 10/29/2018 4:02:21 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: PghBaldy; Admin Moderator

Curious why this is posted in General Chat and not News or Breaking News.


30 posted on 10/29/2018 4:04:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: PghBaldy

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/10/29/basarnas-locate-debris-officials-reported-among-passengers-of-lion-air-jt610.html


31 posted on 10/29/2018 4:07:06 AM PDT by mewzilla (Is Central America emptying its prisons?)
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To: cpdiii

Reuters:

The pilot had asked to return to base (RTB) after the plane took off from Jakarta. It lost contact with ground staff after 13 minutes.

“It’s correct that an RTB was requested and had been approved but we’re still trying to figure out the reason,” Soerjanto Tjahjono, head of Indonesia’s transport safety committee, told reporters, referring to the pilot’s request


32 posted on 10/29/2018 4:10:22 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Reuters::

Edward Sirait, chief executive of Lion Air Group, told reporters the aircraft had had a technical problem on a flight from the resort island of Bali to Jakarta but it had been “resolved according to procedure”.

Sirait declined to specify the nature of the issue but said none of its other aircraft of that model had the same problem. Lion had operated 11 Boeing 737 MAX 8s and it had no plan to ground the rest of them, he said.


33 posted on 10/29/2018 4:13:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There are reports in Indonesian media that the plane had experienced a “technical problem” on a previous flight, and that the problem had been “resolved”.

FWIW, I wouldn’t believe anything coming out of the Indonesian government or their media at the moment.

I’m really wondering if there’s a 1MDB tie-in.


34 posted on 10/29/2018 4:14:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (Is Central America emptying its prisons?)
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To: RayChuang88

Reuters:

The flight took off in clear weather at around 6.20 a.m. and was due to have landed in Pangkal Pinang at 7.20 a.m.


35 posted on 10/29/2018 4:15:04 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: libh8er

I thought it could be a wrestle for the controls between the pilot/co-pilot based on the up down. Maybe a gay pilot suicide again... but reports are “unreliable airspeed” which could be a bug in the pitot probe.

Unreliable airspeed + inexperienced pilot, usually = crash.


36 posted on 10/29/2018 4:16:13 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Moonman62

Reuters:

Data from FlightRadar24 shows the first sign of something amiss was around two minutes into the flight, when the plane had reached 2,000 feet (610 m).

It descended more than 500 feet (152 m) and veered to the left before climbing again to 5,000 feet (1,524 m), where it stayed during most of the rest of the flight.

It began gaining speed in the final moments and reached 345 knots (397 mph) before data was lost when it was at 3,650 feet (1,113 m).


37 posted on 10/29/2018 4:17:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Blue House Sue

Moslem air crew?


38 posted on 10/29/2018 4:23:19 AM PDT by arthurus (fghj)
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To: arthurus

My first guess...


39 posted on 10/29/2018 5:21:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: PghBaldy

40 posted on 10/29/2018 6:59:27 AM PDT by TruthWillWin ([[[MSM]]])
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