Posted on 09/11/2018 1:51:06 PM PDT by Tarasaramozart
"Pit bull adoption bans do not reduce dog bites or dog severity, but they do kill a lot of dogs (and, according to an article in the Washington Post, are likely motivated by racism). They are, however, supported by Merritt Clifton. Indeed, a columnist for The Huffington Post called Clifton “the academic impostor behind the pit bull hysteria”.
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Don't confuse pit bull apologists with facts. Their minds are already made up.
Hard numbers are not hysterical:
"In the 13-year period of 2005 through 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths."
While this statistic is astounding, the more important and significant factor is the trajectory. As the yearly percentage of PB dog ownership rises, so does the percentage of PB kills (and one would presume non-lethal but disabling mutilations of humans, with it).
This gives the lie to the propaganda-biased article.
IMHO, unwanted PB-type dogs winding up in ASPCA care or yhat of dog shelters should be immediately thanatized with prejudice, as a sane measure of preventing cruelty to humans.
Okay; your history does change things and I now know to give you a measure of respect on this subject.
There’s really nothing to debate. Some people think all PB’s are bad and some of us who actually own them know they are full of bear scat.
I will concede they are different and need to be handled/treated different than most other breeds. 99 times out of 100 the problem is the human; not the dog and I mean that a lot of different ways. The human needs to be able to control their PB on a leash if out walking. Some 5 lb little dog that thinks it is 200 lbs and starts pushing for a fight with that PB will lose badly so they can never actually get the chance.
That’s pretty much it. PB’s must have a secure yard they can’t get out of (human problem) and must have someone on the other end of the leash strong enough to handle their strength. (Human problem) I’m amazed at how naturally muscular mine is without even trying or working out. She just stays strong and toned naturally even as a 9 yo.
I would recommend never taking a PB to a dog park. Reason; other dogs will test it and PB are known for being fearless. It doesn’t matter what the other breed is. Best to avoid that entire situation.
When I see some young punk wearing his wife beaters with his homies at a dog park and their PB running loose I see a problem waiting to happen. I would agree PB’s should be banned from dog parks. Not because all PB’s are confrontational, they aren’t, but some are so best just to avoid that for the benefit of all.
I know I can’t convince a single PB hater to change their mind. They have their cement shoes on after all but the facts are quite different than they make them out to be. They love to spew statistics. That’s their only way to prove their point but they missed the entire point to begin with. Nuff said.
Finally! Someone that actually gets it!
This is a gray area. I assume you meant "euthanized" and not "thanostized".
It really depends if the history of the dog and its previous owners are known. If it was treated well with respect and loved by an owner who died; I think there's no reason that dog can't be adopted out. Hopefully to someone who knows how to handle that particular breed.
If the dog's history is unknown I would agree a good professional dog handler would need to assess the dogs individually over time to determine if they can be saved. A difficult call.
Some dogs, regardless of breed, must be put down for the good of all; including the dog. If it was abused or neglected to the point of turning it into a feral beast, well, sadly many times the dog can not be rehabilitated.
To just kill them all willy nilly like you stated just proves your ignorance on the subject. Go back to reading your little statistics.
I doubt you're familiar with Husky's or Akita's. These are other breeds that must be handled differently than your run of the mill Labradoodle or whatever. Rotties and Dobies too. PB's are not unique in needing a different handling technique than the Labradoodles. Amateur dog owners who have no clue are a bigger problem than anything else IMHO.
Your mileage may vary. For what it's worth. Just my humble opinion.
You are correct, they are very strong, and with that, a very strong bite.
I don't disagree that humans are the cause of many of the problems. But the results of those incidents usually ends badly for the person/dog that becomes the target for the PB. Just not worth it in my opinion.
And I have one of those 5 pound Chihuahuas that thinks she weighs 200. Except for the cat. She seems to think the cat is a lion and is terrified of her.
It appears many owners are of the Michael Vick variety. Black and minorities seem to favor owning a Pit Bull. As do drug dealers and other criminals.
Studies and research papers examining the owners of high risk dog breeds and the deviant culture of dogfighting authored by doctors, psychologists, legal and animal welfare specialists.
Gee Boomer. Perhaps I’ve been wrong about Pit Bulls.
I should not be afraid of Pit Bulls. I should be afraid of their OWNERS!
A total of 166 owners of high risk dogs were compared with 189 owners of low risk dogs. The high risk dog owners had nearly 10 times more criminal convictions than other dog owners. Breaking the data down by categories of criminal behavior they found that high risk dog owners were 6.8 times more likely to be convicted of an aggressive crime, 2.8 times more likely to have carried out a crime involving children, 2.4 times more likely to have perpetrated domestic violence, and 5.4 times more likely to have an alcohol related conviction when compared to low risk dog owners.
Not the strongest bite though among the breeds. Labs and Shepherds, if I remember right have a stronger bite.
It sounds like your daughters PB proves how good PB's can be. I am concerned when small children pull on ears, hair, tail, and do other things to antagonize any dog. Not good. The kids need to be taught give animals more respect. I believe this is one way problems start.
Blah, blah, blah. Liars figure and figures lie.
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Selling fear? Not really. Just showing all where it lives.
Did you ever stop to think that most dogs just bite and release?
Pit Bulls were designed by human beings to fight and subdue, literally BULLS.
In a BULL RING.
Most dogs bite you, then try to get away.
Pit Bulls bite you, then try to rip your arm or leg off.
I currently have six dogs with me; 1 German Shepherd, 1 Black Lab, 1 Rottweiler, 1 Boxer, 1 Mixed Terrier, and 1 Pit Bull.
My dogs are all well trained and well socialized, they are all sweethearts.
The thundering herd, charging down the drive way towards you may scare the crap out of you, but they are not interested in hurting you.
Just don’t open your car or truck door; it’s really hard to get them out when they want a ride or a treat.
Dogs act like they are trained to act, if you try to hurt my family or one of my 6 dogs you will “probably” get bit.
With 5 of them you will bleed, with one of them you would get an amputation.
The one MOST LIKELY to BITE YOU, THE TERRIER.
I take BILLIE to the Vet and the Doc checks his weight chart, then laughs about how Billie isn’t a dog, just a 65 pound muscle with a wagging tail.
Billie loves his Doctor and the Doc loves Billie.
Doc says Billie is one of few he trusts without a muzzle.
(Billie knows I would be very unhappy if he ever caused trouble)
By whining about PB’s?
Okay. Unorthodox and I don’t get it but it’s your story. Tell it however you like.
I know kids can be rough on dogs. They poke, bull, try to ride,.... I worry it could end badly.
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Children should never be allowed to do that to their dogs. The parents need to see that doesn’t happen. Especially with a risky breed. I had a pit who finally died from cancer at age 12, but I taught my children to respect her, and when they were small they were never left unattended with her. With a pit bull you must always mitigate as much risk as possible. I would not leave small children with any breed. They could inadvertently torment the dog and get bit.
I agree. It’s also a great opportunity to teach the kids about respecting animals in general and how they are not toys to be played with and that they can bite if they feel mistreated.
Imagine a Mountain Lion or Bobcat cruising the back yard and a kid thinking they are like the dog or house cat they play with. A tragedy waiting to happen if they want to pet the big cat the same way.
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